[hanp]

I actually like 16 hands better than 12. I'll discuss more when everybody has bid the hands because it may involve hints for optimal preparation, stamina, etc.

[jillybean]

I'm around and about, if I'm not on BBO send me a (personal) message here and I'll see if I can help

[Siegmund]

MSchmahl and I are here now, but can amuse ourselves until 8 if we need to.

[jillybean]

I will be available in about 20mins if that works.

[JLOGIC]

hanoi5 is online so I'd just ask him if you are ready, he might not be F5ing this thread every min

[Siegmund]

We took our beating, with all 3 hosts and a few kibitzers watching. Heh. We needed a few practice hands to warm up, apparently. Between that and some software trouble this cost me more than one torn out hair. (Hoping to juuust barely make it into the top half, but not sure I will.)

[inquiry]

Siegmund, on Jul 17 2010, 09:07 PM, said:

We took our beating, with all 3 hosts and a few kibitzers watching. Heh. We needed a few practice hands to warm up, apparently. Between that and some software trouble this cost me more than one torn out hair. (Hoping to juuust barely make it into the top half, but not sure I will.)

There was an operator error on board 3 (at least two) so the score you got on that one will be thrown out, and you will be give either average or the average of your other 15 boards, whichever is best for you.

[peachy]

I would support having the first round with 15 boards only, rather than adjust anything. Throw it out for all bidders?

[Elianna]

peachy, on Jul 17 2010, 06:27 PM, said:

I would support having the first round with 15 boards only, rather than adjust anything. Throw it out for all bidders?

That seems like it would harm those who did well on that board, and benefit those who messed up on that board. Seems unfair.

Of course, I don't know how I did on that board (I don't remember which it was), but even if that was the board that we ended up doing really badly, I wouldn't want it thrown out.

[JLOGIC]

peachy, on Jul 17 2010, 09:27 PM, said:

I would support having the first round with 15 boards only, rather than adjust anything. Throw it out for all bidders?

Definitely not imo (and I don't remember if I did well on that board or not).

[gnasher]

When a board gets fouled at one table in a pairs event, you don't cancel the results of all the other contestants on the same board. This situation appears to be equivalent.

By analogy, one might argue that Siegmund and his partner should get the higher of 60% and their own average, which is what they'd get in a real bridge event under Law 12C2.

[bluecalm]

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I would support having the first round with 15 boards only, rather than adjust anything. Throw it out for all bidders?

Yeah, definitely don't throw it out.
There may be more errors and throwing it out for all bidders may results in cancelling too many boards overall.

[inquiry]

Turns out what I thought was an operator error was not. We have a script the operators use for NS bidding, and I thought the operator didn't follow the script. It turns out EW made an unexpected bid and the operator in fact did follow the script, I just didn't take into acccount the auction. So this hand will count for Sigumend and his partner... be it good or bad....

I will try to explain what happened here the best I can when the first round is over.

[inquiry]

For Round One... following people can host table for you... I will update this if others step up to offer to help


Inquiry
Hanoi5
Jillybean
Sallyally

[peachy]

gnasher, on Jul 18 2010, 03:57 AM, said:

When a board gets fouled at one table in a pairs event, you don't cancel the results of all the other contestants on the same board.  This situation appears to be equivalent.

By analogy, one might argue that Siegmund and his partner should get the higher of 60% and their own average, which is what they'd get in a real bridge event under Law 12C2.

This was a bidding contest! There was no play, no defense, no opponents, just 16 hands collected from all over and auctions with a rare scripted opposing action in a few of them. I think the laws do not apply to a bidding contest and that the contest organisers have the absolute right to do as they please, with no regard to any bridge laws. Similar types of contests appear in many bridge publications, like The Bridge World or ACBL bulletins and district bulletins.

[NickRW]

peachy, on Jul 18 2010, 03:13 PM, said:

This was a bidding contest! There was no play, no defense, no opponents, just 16 hands collected from all over and auctions with a rare scripted opposing action in a few of them. I think the laws do not apply to a bidding contest and that the contest organisers have the absolute right to do as they please,...

Obviously that is correct, but never the less the organisers want to do what is most equitable without risking losing boards or results where possible - the actual law doesn't seem inappropriate in this case at least

[gnasher]

peachy, on Jul 18 2010, 04:13 PM, said:

This was a bidding contest! There was no play, no defense, no opponents, just 16 hands collected from all over and auctions with a rare scripted opposing action in a few of them. I think the laws do not apply to a bidding contest and that the contest organisers have the absolute right to do as they please, with no regard to any bridge laws. Similar types of contests appear in many bridge publications, like The Bridge World or ACBL bulletins and district bulletins.

I didn't say that this competition was governed by the laws of bridge - obviously it isn't. But it does seem to me that the rationale for retaining everyone else's results applies as much to this competition as it does to a deal at bridge.

[hanp]

Could you guys move this discussion to the laws forum?

More seriously, I agree with gnasher and others that the hand shouldn't be thrown out and that the pair should not be hurt because of this missing hand. 60% or their average score seems as good as anything.

[Codo]

hanp, on Jul 19 2010, 02:11 AM, said:

60% or their average score seems as good as anything.

Nice one

[inquiry]

The following pairs have yet to bid the first round... yes, still over a week left to do it in....

ant590 - crayzeejim
cascade kermit
Flycycle/Wackojack
gnasher/catch22
j0i/gwnn
jdonn/gib
karlson/threenobob
kfay/jchiu
mbodell - javabean
mohitz/akjq
olegru - driver733
rogerClee/cherdano
tlgoodwin/timg
Tomi2-JHDW
Vampyr/Lamford
zasanya/ravia6


Plus Hrothgar/Free if they want to bid it online using their notes.