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#1 User is offline   bluejak 

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  Posted 2010-March-23, 08:53

Another query from a correspondent. What do you think?

Scoring: IMP

..W...N....E...S
.......3...P...4
.4..5.P#1.P
.5...P....P....P
#1 Agreed hesitation

Result 5 +1, NS -480.

The TD adjusted this to 5 -3, NS -300.
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Posted 2010-March-23, 09:04

I think pass is an LA and that 5 is suggested by the hesitation.

A short hesitation is probably normal tempo in this situation but if it was a BIT then I agree with the TD.
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Posted 2010-March-23, 09:20

I think it's clear that W used the UI. For all W knows (without the UI) his partner could have a near zero count and S raised the 3 bid to 4 planning on making it and possibly more. If E did indeed have a zero count then W could be down 4 or 5 in 5. I'd definitely agree with the director's ruling.
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Posted 2010-March-23, 09:22

On further review....why adjust to 5 down 3? Shouldn't it be just down 2?
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Posted 2010-March-23, 09:23

I think you can make a very interesting case that pass is not an LA if you want to. But I'd be most interested in hearing whether and how west tries to make that case.
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Posted 2010-March-23, 09:50

G_R__E_G, on Mar 23 2010, 09:22 AM, said:

On further review....why adjust to 5 down 3?  Shouldn't it be just down 2?

down 2 + an extra for spite, maybe. Promoting the heart seven :)
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Posted 2010-March-23, 10:17

5S seems to be based on UI. Pass is definitely a logical alternative.
8 hearts and a spade seem completely normal to me in 5H so I can't think what the TD was doing awarding -3 unless I am missing something
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Posted 2010-March-25, 10:58

i would say the pass suggests doubling (clearly just extra after a 4S call), not 5S - partner can have a borderline penaly X in which case 5S is likely converting a plus into a minus. there's no reason to assume partner's supposed defensive values will be sufficient to make 5S or indeed be of any value at all in spades.

as such i'd say result stands.
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