[karlson]

Scoring: IMP

p-1♦
1♠-2♥
2♠-4♣
4♥-?

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Agree with your previous bidding? Are you done now?

[cherdanno]

I keycard. Love this hand. Partner will hardly ever do more with no honor in my suit and missing the top two trumps. QTxxx Axx xx xxx is already an ok slam.

[OleBerg]

I hate keycard, but on this hand it couldn't be more handy.

[MarkDean]

Yep, I agree, time for old black.

[Fluffy]

keycardblackwood

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I agree - RKCB now, at least this was you plan as you did bid 4C, you are
investigating slam, missing a heart control, p showes the control, what
more do you want?

I dont agree with the bidding, dont like 2H, but dont have a better alternative
either, my bid would have been 3D (a underbid, non forcing, ... - I know),
and your seq. worked out, so ...

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

Blacky

[PhantomSac]

If I trust partner, I am signing off. With as much as QJxxx Axx xx xxx partner should have keycarded himself, surely AKx KQxx AKxxx x is a (sub?) minimum for us (not that slam is cold with those cards but it has good play especially with the ST).

4C is a very big bid, we could have bid 3S (NF I presume), 4S (showing 3 spades and short clubs AND too much to bid a mere 3S, having already reversed), or 4C (showing too much to even bid 4S which already shows a huge hand).

In context of that big bid, our hand is not that much extra. It is great for slam because we have an almost solid suit, but we have no entries to it. If parnter has a stiff diamond and no CA we are in trouble, if our trumps are not solid we're in trouble, etc. And partner should DEFINITELY cuebid a hand like:

Qxxxxx Kxx xx xx (this hand is a cold slam opposite as little as AKx Axxx AKQxx x, which is a great hand, but we showed a great hand with 4C!!). This hand has 5 level safety issues.

So basically, I am minimum for 4C, and if partner has enough for slam I trust him to bid it, and I can think of many hands that would cuebid where we are in danger at the 5 level. Sign off.

[jdonn]

Or to put it another way, our hearts could have been KTx or even Axx and we would have bid the same way to this point. So....

Of course the key is "if I trust partner". Very few people, even good players, will evaluate both hands correctly in this spot. Almost all will bid the weak hand too weakly and the strong hand too strongly. I think keycard is right opposite what most players will actually have for 4♥ but in theory everything justin said is exactly correct.

[kfay]

PhantomSac, on Mar 3 2010, 03:57 PM, said:

If I trust partner

KFay to the rescue!!!

Just as lchen, V, if there's a slam or not I'll keep going... lol

[PhantomSac]

jdonn, on Mar 3 2010, 04:01 PM, said:

Of course the key is "if I trust partner". Very few people, even good players, will evaluate both hands correctly in this spot. Almost all will bid the weak hand too weakly and the strong hand too strongly. I think keycard is right opposite what most players will actually have for 4♥ but in theory everything justin said is exactly correct.

Yeah obv that's why I prefaced it with that statement, I would keycard opposite many many people but with my best partners I trust them a lot to bid their hands and I would signoff.

[Fluffy]

if you trust them to know that you have ♠AK ♦AKQxxx its ok, but somehow I expect them to think that I have some heart honnors not neccesarilly useful instead.

But I would had bid 3♠ instead of 4♣ wich is forcing to me.