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(P) 2♣ (2♥) 3♣
(3♥) 3♠ (P) 4♣
(P) 5N?
Grand slam force in ♣'s or asking partner to bid 7♣ with ♥ control?
or something else?
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How do you play... 5nt here
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Posted 2009-July-28, 18:27
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 19:15
Something else.
Pick-a-slam.
I should have a heart stop for this so that 6NT is an option without great clubs and without any spade tolerance.
Pick-a-slam.
I should have a heart stop for this so that 6NT is an option without great clubs and without any spade tolerance.
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True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2009-July-28, 20:48
I feel rather cold to the notion that 6NT is a good option when we've established that we don't have much of a fit anywhere, but I do agree it's more of a general pick-a-slam type bid. General rule of thumb: When keycard is available, other bids can't asks for controls or trump honors.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 20:59
Cascade, on Jul 29 2009, 08:15 AM, said:
Something else.
Pick-a-slam.
I should have a heart stop for this so that 6NT is an option without great clubs and without any spade tolerance.
Pick-a-slam.
I should have a heart stop for this so that 6NT is an option without great clubs and without any spade tolerance.
Wouldn't 5H be pick a slam?
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Posted 2009-July-28, 21:14
The_Hog, on Jul 28 2009, 09:59 PM, said:
Cascade, on Jul 29 2009, 08:15 AM, said:
Something else.
Pick-a-slam.
I should have a heart stop for this so that 6NT is an option without great clubs and without any spade tolerance.
Pick-a-slam.
I should have a heart stop for this so that 6NT is an option without great clubs and without any spade tolerance.
Wouldn't 5H be pick a slam?
Id take that as EKCB for clubs.
I think 5N is PAS.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 21:33
Phil, on Jul 29 2009, 10:14 AM, said:
The_Hog, on Jul 28 2009, 09:59 PM, said:
Cascade, on Jul 29 2009, 08:15 AM, said:
Something else.
Pick-a-slam.
I should have a heart stop for this so that 6NT is an option without great clubs and without any spade tolerance.
Pick-a-slam.
I should have a heart stop for this so that 6NT is an option without great clubs and without any spade tolerance.
Wouldn't 5H be pick a slam?
Id take that as EKCB for clubs.
I think 5N is PAS.
Fair enough Phil. That sounds reasonable to me.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 22:13
Ok, so how could opener check for ♥ control here? Other than jump to 6 and hope partner bids 7 with extras.
(P) 2♣ (2♥) 3♣
(3♥) 3♠ (P) 4♣
(P) ?
(P) 2♣ (2♥) 3♣
(3♥) 3♠ (P) 4♣
(P) ?
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 22:24
jillybean, on Jul 29 2009, 04:13 PM, said:
Ok, so how could opener check for ♥ control here? Other than jump to 6 and hope partner bids 7 with extras.
(P) 2♣ (2♥) 3♣
(3♥) 3♠ (P) 4♣
(P) ?
(P) 2♣ (2♥) 3♣
(3♥) 3♠ (P) 4♣
(P) ?
Good question.
I don't think there is enough room. I think 4♦ is natural. And therefore the only very good club raise is 4♥ (excluding jumps). And that should promise a heart control.
Given we have a strong 2♣ and a positive (I presume), 5♣ probably suggests raising with heart control. And by a similar extension 6♣ maybe suggests seven if partner has first round heart control. With heart control ourselves we would bid 4♥.
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2009-July-29, 07:50
jillybean, on Jul 28 2009, 11:13 PM, said:
Ok, so how could opener check for ♥ control here? Other than jump to 6 and hope partner bids 7 with extras.
(P) 2♣ (2♥) 3♣
(3♥) 3♠ (P) 4♣
(P) ?
(P) 2♣ (2♥) 3♣
(3♥) 3♠ (P) 4♣
(P) ?
qbid 4♦ then jump to 6♣
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Posted 2009-July-29, 08:32
jillybean, on Jul 28 2009, 11:13 PM, said:
Ok, so how could opener check for ♥ control here? Other than jump to 6 and hope partner bids 7 with extras.
(P) 2♣ (2♥) 3♣
(3♥) 3♠ (P) 4♣
(P) ?
(P) 2♣ (2♥) 3♣
(3♥) 3♠ (P) 4♣
(P) ?
4D, a cue for clubs.
4C did set the suit.
Of course this assumes, that you dont open 2C with 2-suiters,
and there is no other reason than that to treat 4D as natural.
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PS: If I jump to 6C, I expect partner to pass.
If he bids 7C over 6C, he better is right, and a lucky make of
a 50% grand slam is nothing I want to discuss.
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Posted 2009-July-29, 09:40
With apologies for veering away from suitable B/I material:
Over 4♣:
4♦ is natural.
4♥ should be a strong raise to 5♣, but I'd also say 9/10 times opener will have a heart control, but it doesn't promise one. AKQJx, xx, AKQx, AJ
5♣ meh. Probably denies a heart control.
Over 4♣:
4♦ is natural.
4♥ should be a strong raise to 5♣, but I'd also say 9/10 times opener will have a heart control, but it doesn't promise one. AKQJx, xx, AKQx, AJ
5♣ meh. Probably denies a heart control.
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Posted 2009-July-29, 11:21
For me 5NT is "pick a slam", although I'm not convinced this is "correct".
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Posted 2009-July-29, 11:46
Over 4♣, 4♦ is natural, 4♥ is a strong raise not 100% promising a control, 5NT is pick a slam.
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Posted 2009-July-29, 12:06
skaeran, on Jul 29 2009, 12:46 PM, said:
Over 4♣, 4♦ is natural, 4♥ is a strong raise not 100% promising a control, 5NT is pick a slam.
I play it as you do.
5NT isn't really needed as GSF when 4NT RKCB is available.
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