[NotButter]

I've tried to keep up on Zar points. I understand the model, it certainly has some good ideas...albeit complex but that's OK. It's akin to keeping abreast of the tables of % or suit combination plays.

But answer me this... to what extent is this a theoretical discussion... or better still which leading players are employing Zar Point evaluation.

Go on... name Names ! And I mean names.

NotButter.

[Zar]

*** notbutter wrote: "Name Names ..."

So, you think that Names need lectures on Hand Evaluation ... I duscuss hand evaluation issues with Names all the time, believe me - and "both sides" are perfectly clear on the issue that Names don't need Hand Evaluation lectures :-)

If you think that Zia, or Meckstroth, or Hamman scratch their heads adding 3 points for void, or 5 points (or 16 points for that matter :-) when they make a decision about whether to invite, or to jump to a game, or to accept an invitation, or to make a slam try, I am afraid I have to disappoint you.

They know what a hand is worth the moment they pick the pile of cards off the table, more or less. And the re-evaluation process is also not based on subtracting SPECIFIC amounts of points or ADDING specific amounts of points - if I have to make a parallel here, I'd say that Names operate in an analog world, while we are trying to digitize the damn thing so it is CONVENIENT for NoNames to make an adequate decision without the 20, or 30, or 40 years of everyday play experience that the Name has.

And while they do NOT need digitized and formalized methods for THEIR OWN purpose, Names are open for discussions that lead to "digitizing" their analog world and I am very grateful for that. The idea that Names are unfriendly and selfish and closed and nasty and intentionally "keep their secrets" from the public is untrue - I have plenty of examples here.

So the question "to Zar or not to Zar" is still very important, but ... not for Names :-)

I hope we are on the same page here with most people:

ZAR

[Trpltrbl]

Too many names to name.

Mike

[Zar]

*** Mike wrote: "Too many names to name.
Mike :-)
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I guess you put the "smily" on the right place :-)

ZAR