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Poll: Teams, I would (40 member(s) have cast votes)

Teams, I would

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 5 diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 5 hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 5 spades (37 votes [92.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 92.50%

  6. 5 no trump (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 6 level something (1 votes [2.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.50%

  8. find something to throw at RHO (2 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

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#1 User is offline   CSGibson 

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Posted 2009-May-10, 16:57

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(5♣)-?


Playing a generic 2/1, with an expert partner and against expert opponents (you are the worst player at the table, at any rate). RHO is known to be a bit of a wild card, if that makes a difference to you.

2nd question: Would you do something different at matchpoints?
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Posted 2009-May-10, 17:07

5♠ at either, but of course wouldn't be surprised if 5♠ and 5♣ both go down. Would be very surprised if a strain other than spades plays better for us.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 17:28

Abstain, I'm never the worst player at the table.

Ok ok, 5♠.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 17:29

5♠.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 17:38

rogerclee, on May 10 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

Abstain, I'm never the worst player at the table.

I never used to be the worst player at any table, either. Then I improved my self-evaluation technique...
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Posted 2009-May-10, 17:41

5♠, not happy about it but I would always bid 5♠.

Am I really supposed to make different bids when I think I am the worst, second worst, second, best, best player at the table? Maybe this sort of thinking contributes to my being the worst player at the table...
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Posted 2009-May-10, 17:46

655321, on May 10 2009, 04:41 PM, said:

5♠, not happy about it but I would always bid 5♠.

Am I really supposed to make different bids when I think I am the worst, second worst, second, best, best player at the table? Maybe this sort of thinking contributes to my being the worst player at the table...

sorry, didn't mean your own skill level to be a consideration, so much as letting you know that the skill level of your opponents is fairly high. I shouldn't have added it to the OP, as it's distracting from the problem.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 20:21

CSGibson, on May 10 2009, 05:57 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(5♣)-?


Playing a generic 2/1, with an expert partner and against expert opponents (you are the worst player at the table, at any rate). RHO is known to be a bit of a wild card, if that makes a difference to you.

2nd question: Would you do something different at matchpoints?

5♠ -- payoff to the preempt if both that and 5♣ go down or the bid eggs pard into bidding 6♠, -1.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 23:13

How could you bid anything but 5S?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 01:50

hanp, on May 11 2009, 06:13 AM, said:

How could you bid anything but 5S?

How will anyone know that you're the worst player at the table if you keep making the right bid?
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Posted 2009-May-11, 06:34

5♠. The playing strength is there. All we need is the luck :P
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Posted 2009-May-11, 07:10

5♠ is 100% clear. What is not clear is who is making what.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 07:49

I bid 6♣. Seems right for a force...
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Posted 2009-May-11, 08:54

I bid 5 spades too, turns out both 5 clubs and 5 spades go down on perfect defense, and both make on squeezes on non-perfect defense (which is what happened at the table). I thought the decision was closer than the voting indicated, though.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 09:32

5♠. 6♠ might work in practice as LHO very well could take a phantom if RHO has something extra.

Still, we are probably losing a club trick, so pard needs gin in the other suits to make 6.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 09:48

I'm a lot more worried about 5♠ going down than 6♠ making. Of course I bid 5♠ though.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 09:58

Call for director, as there must be two ♣J's in the deck.

RHO obviously have:




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Posted 2009-May-11, 13:17

Pretty obvious 5♠ at IMPs IMO.
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Posted 2009-May-12, 01:20

OleBerg, on May 11 2009, 08:58 AM, said:

Call for director, as there must be two ♣J's in the deck.

RHO obviously have:

Dealer: ?????
Vul: ????
Scoring: Unknown
♠ 2
♥ Q10
♦ K8
♣ AJ1085432
 



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The full hand was actually:




RHO took the club lead, returned a trump, and LHO followed with another trump. Curtains on the red suit squeeze.

5 clubs makes if I lead a singleton diamond, partner takes the first two and leads a 3rd diamond (or really, leading anything but a spade), trying to promote a trump for me. Declarer then ruffs high, and has a major suit squeeze on me.
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Posted 2009-May-12, 09:42

find something to throw at RHO

A wonderful choice If we are in Advanced and Expert-Class fighting ;)
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