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Scoring: IMP
West North East South
- 1♥ Pass 1♠
Pass 2♣ Pass 2♥
a.p.
Result: -3
Could E and/or W have done something in the bidding?
Who should have doubled 2H, and when?
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Posted 2008-December-21, 06:43
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West North East South
- 1♥ Pass 1♠
Pass 2♣ Pass 2♥
a.p.
Result: -3
Could E and/or W have done something in the bidding?
West North East South
- 1♥ Pass 1♠
Pass 2♣ Pass 2♥
a.p.
Result: -3
Could E and/or W have done something in the bidding?
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Posted 2008-December-21, 06:57
A double of 2♥ by West would show his hand, but it requires a strong stomach.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 07:14
West should have doubled.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 07:27
in my opnion normal . I don't think W can DBL without 4card ♦.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 07:45
West has to find a way to show his strength. West has the information that East can't have enough strength to do anything. West has 2 possible bad bids in he first round of bidding, dbl and 1NT. If 1NT has to promise stopper in both of opps suit, than dbl it is.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 07:56
hotShot, on Dec 21 2008, 03:45 PM, said:
West has to find a way to show his strength. West has the information that East can't have enough strength to do anything. West has 2 possible bad bids in he first round of bidding, dbl and 1NT. If 1NT has to promise stopper in both of opps suit, than dbl it is.
2♠ is an option, if it is natural. It should be.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 09:10
I think the best way to enter the auction is with a drect 2♠ over 1♠, you know you will have to ger in at some point, and there won't likelly be a better way to do it.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 09:12
You just can't pass throughout with the West hand. I like doubling 2♥.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 10:01
I would also X 2H. It just seems like you have to get into the auction, especially when opponents may open/respond light at NV.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 10:33
OleBerg, on Dec 21 2008, 01:57 PM, said:
A double of 2♥ by West would show his hand, but it requires a strong stomach.
I disagree, Dbl by West is obvious!
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Posted 2008-December-21, 10:51
Agree that double at that point is obvious. The only question is whether west should act immediately by bidding 2S imo.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 11:29
Weast has the perfect hand to double 2H IMO. Enough values to have a shot at 3m. While not enough minors or pts to X on first round.
Its a bit of a 2 way double.
weakish
4144
or stronger 51(43) shapes
Its a bit of a 2 way double.
weakish
4144
or stronger 51(43) shapes
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Posted 2008-December-21, 13:03
I think West should have entered the bidding right away with 2♠.
This makes 3NT a serious possibillty.
However in a pickup partnership 2♠ could easily be mistaken for a non natural bid.
Would you try it on a random advanced partner?
Now that West took the save road and passed he should double 2♥.
You can't afford to be pushed around with such a nice hand.
This makes 3NT a serious possibillty.
However in a pickup partnership 2♠ could easily be mistaken for a non natural bid.
Would you try it on a random advanced partner?
Now that West took the save road and passed he should double 2♥.
You can't afford to be pushed around with such a nice hand.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 13:31
What would 2♥ over 1♠ show?
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Posted 2008-December-21, 13:36
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Posted 2008-December-21, 13:38
hotShot, on Dec 21 2008, 09:31 PM, said:
What would 2♥ over 1♠ show?
6♣ and 4♦
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 14:47
As the auction went, West should double 2♥.
West could overcall 2♠ at his first turn. The spade suit is only 5 cards long, and not as strong as you would like for an overcall in their suit. On the other hand, West's hand is very good, and at least bidding 2♠ does get his side into the auction.
West could overcall 2♠ at his first turn. The spade suit is only 5 cards long, and not as strong as you would like for an overcall in their suit. On the other hand, West's hand is very good, and at least bidding 2♠ does get his side into the auction.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 15:25
655321, on Dec 21 2008, 10:47 PM, said:
As the auction went, West should double 2♥.
West could overcall 2♠ at his first turn. The spade suit is only 5 cards long, and not as strong as you would like for an overcall in their suit. On the other hand, West's hand is very good, and at least bidding 2♠ does get his side into the auction.
West could overcall 2♠ at his first turn. The spade suit is only 5 cards long, and not as strong as you would like for an overcall in their suit. On the other hand, West's hand is very good, and at least bidding 2♠ does get his side into the auction.
The more I think of it, the more I like 2♠ at the first turn. It could be a winner with just the ♣Q in partners hand.
Anyway, on the actual deal, it seems that a diamond-lead defeats 4♠, so maybe -3 is okay.
Edit: Oops, it doesn't.
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Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2008-December-21, 17:01
Double of 2♥ is clearcut. I don't agree that it might be a weakish 4144 - I'm usually a bidder, but this is far too dangerous an auction to be acting with that.
On the previous round, I think 2♠ would be wrong. That should show a far more spade-oriented hand. 2♠ could lead to down two with 5♣ cold.
It's tempting to double 1♠, but there's no real need - there's almost no auction where passing will leave you badly placed.
On the previous round, I think 2♠ would be wrong. That should show a far more spade-oriented hand. 2♠ could lead to down two with 5♣ cold.
It's tempting to double 1♠, but there's no real need - there's almost no auction where passing will leave you badly placed.
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Posted 2008-December-21, 18:24
I prefer pass then double by west, although there are other options (I don't think overcalling on the first round is THAT bad). Certainly he has to act at some point though.
Also I agree with gnasher against double being some light 4144 hand. That strikes me as extremely foolish, opener could be bidding again for all we know.
Also I agree with gnasher against double being some light 4144 hand. That strikes me as extremely foolish, opener could be bidding again for all we know.
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