[Cascade]

Weak NT system so partner's 1NT rebid is strong 15-17.

Partner will reasonably frequently by normal standards rebid 1NT with a singleton in our suit.

2♦ (and also 2♣) is not available as a weak takeout. That is we will have to go to the three-level to show a second suit.

The auction is:

1♥ 1♠
1NT ?

Would you ever consider passing with a void heart and five spades?

If you would pass. What would be an example hand 5=0=5=3 or 5=0=3=5 that you would pass?

[dicklont]

I abstain.
Is it to much to ask that a NT opening or rebid shows a balanced hand?

[Codo]

You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand...

I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade.

But I hate those partners anyway....

[helene_t]

It would be nice to have a tool to end in 2♠ when that is right (showing a weak hand with five spades and a minor.

[FrancesHinden]

Codo, on Dec 22 2008, 09:56 AM, said:

You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand...

I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade.

But I hate those partners anyway....

Are we playing 5-card majors?

If so, you are saying that partner often rebids 1NT on a 1=5=4=3 or a 1=5=3=4?

If so, then I think this is unplayable unless you have a method to show a weak hand with spades and a minor opposite the 1NT rebid. You are using both 2C and 2D as artificial over the 1NT rebid, so you have a lot of sequences. Use some of them for this.

[OleBerg]

A weak spade suit, and slow values in the minors.

Something like:

♠ 22222
♥ -
♦ QJ109
♣ QJ109

Give or take a few pips.

[MFA]

Sure, if partner is even rebidding 1NT with 15(43) types, then I don't see how I can bid 2♠ without a reasonable suit.

[whereagles]

helene_t, on Dec 22 2008, 09:57 AM, said:

It would be nice to have a tool to end in 2♠ when that is right (showing a weak hand with five spades and a minor.

If one needs a bid for those situations, I'm pretty suspicious one's doing something wrong.

[hotShot]

Of cause i would pass 1NT if my hand is weak so we only have a partscore.
Usually this would have to be a 5044 or 40(45) distribution. With some 50(53) especially at IMPs I would try for the minor.

[Codo]

FrancesHinden, on Dec 22 2008, 07:04 PM, said:

Codo, on Dec 22 2008, 09:56 AM, said:

You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand...

I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade.

But I hate those partners anyway....

Are we playing 5-card majors?

If so, you are saying that partner often rebids 1NT on a 1=5=4=3 or a 1=5=3=4?

If so, then I think this is unplayable unless you have a method to show a weak hand with spades and a minor opposite the 1NT rebid. You are using both 2C and 2D as artificial over the 1NT rebid, so you have a lot of sequences. Use some of them for this.

I tried to say that I hate partners who often rebid 1 NT with a 15(34) hand.

And the only reason to pass 1 NT with a heart void would be a partner who rebids 1 NT with a singelton.

Do you think it is playable to rebid 1 NT with 15(43) under the given conditions?Maybe it is, but I do not see how.

[Fluffy]

I have no experience under this circumstances, but what OleBerg said sounds reasonable to me.

[FrancesHinden]

Codo, on Dec 22 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Dec 22 2008, 07:04 PM, said:

Codo, on Dec 22 2008, 09:56 AM, said:

You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand...

I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade.

But I hate those partners anyway....

Are we playing 5-card majors?

If so, you are saying that partner often rebids 1NT on a 1=5=4=3 or a 1=5=3=4?

If so, then I think this is unplayable unless you have a method to show a weak hand with spades and a minor opposite the 1NT rebid. You are using both 2C and 2D as artificial over the 1NT rebid, so you have a lot of sequences. Use some of them for this.

I tried to say that I hate partners who often rebid 1 NT with a 15(34) hand.

And the only reason to pass 1 NT with a heart void would be a partner who rebids 1 NT with a singelton.

Do you think it is playable to rebid 1 NT with 15(43) under the given conditions?Maybe it is, but I do not see how.

No, I hate it.

But simply saying "I don't like your methods" tends to get short shrift on these forums.

So I don't like the methods, but if I am forced to play them, I think I need more methods after the 1NT rebid.

[Cascade]

It was late when I posted this (or at least I was very tired - I had already gone to bed and went and got my laptop in bed, isn't wireless a wonderful thing). So I forgot a few details and didn't think through some others.

In answer to some of the the style questions:

We play four-card majors.

With 1=5=(4-3) we will normally rebid a minor. A 1NT rebid with a singleton will typically be a flawed hand with a concentration of honours in the short suits. Something like:

♠ K (or Q or A)
♥ KJxxx
♦ Jxxx
♣ AQJ

[Codo]

Under these circumstances I would just pass when:

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  I had already gone to bed and went and got my laptop in bed

. Being tired is an excuse for many things.
I cannot construct a single hand where I want to pass 1 NT in your system. I am fully aware that passing can make some spectular success, but I belive that these successes will gain less then 50 % of the losses.

[han]

I would pass 1NT on some 5-0-4-4 hands yes.