[NickRW]

Scoring: MP

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This is one to make Jilly feel better.

Having no agreements in place about 2 suited high level overcalls the bidding went:

Pass 3♣ 3♥ 5♣
5♥ all pass

Personally I would have opened the North hand. Sitting South I have to admit I didn't envision such a well fitting max passed hand and let the slam go.

[han]

Very tough, as so often when the opponents preempts. I think south should bid on though, he has a great hand and what is partner bidding 5H on? Not on his club cards!

[rogerclee]

han, on Sep 1 2008, 07:27 PM, said:

Very tough

Disagree, I would bid 6♥ all day with South's hand and don't think it is close. But then again I think 3♥ was a serious underbid too.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 I would have passed as North, but a matter os style
#2 3H is heavy, very heavy, even for me, which says
something, if you cant show the 2-suiter, bid game
#3 Pass by South after 5H is clear as well, who tells you, that
you dont have 2 spade loosers before seeing partners hand?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mcphee]

I do believe you should risk 4H the first time. I also would have bid one more for the road, after all they might even save in 7C.

How is it that nobody bid S?

[skjaeran]

P_Marlowe, on Sep 2 2008, 09:43 AM, said:

Hi,

#1 I would have passed as North, but a matter os style
#2 3H is heavy, very heavy, even for me, which says
something, if you cant show the 2-suiter, bid game
#3 Pass by South after 5H is clear as well, who tells you, that
you dont have 2 spade loosers before seeing partners hand?

With kind regards
Marlowe

To me #1 and #3 is contradictory. If you would have passed 5♣ as north (you can't think it's forcing, can you?), how could south NOT raise 5♥ with his hand? With your #1 in mind, it's almost obvious to bid the grand....

[SoTired]

skaeran, on Sep 2 2008, 08:30 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Sep 2 2008, 09:43 AM, said:

Hi,

#1 I would have passed as North, but a matter os style
[...]

To me #1 and #3 is contradictory. If you would have passed 5♣ as north (you can't think it's forcing, can you?), how could south NOT raise 5♥ with his hand? With your #1 in mind, it's almost obvious to bid the grand....

uhh, I hate to speak for someone else, but I took #1 pass comment not as pass over 5C, but as pass in 1st seat. No sane person would pass 5C with 5-card support and a near opener.

Not playing a 2-suited bid, I think South has a clear 4H overcall, which would entice North to bid 6H. Over 5H, South should wake up to the original underbid and bid 6H. As a matter of fact, I would think about grand and bid 6C over 5H. The ♠xx is of little concern because maybe North has a spade control or maybe they won't lead it. What? You've never gone down in a slam?

[skjaeran]

SoTired, on Sep 2 2008, 05:36 PM, said:

skaeran, on Sep 2 2008, 08:30 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Sep 2 2008, 09:43 AM, said:

Hi,

#1 I would have passed as North, but a matter os style
[...]

To me #1 and #3 is contradictory. If you would have passed 5♣ as north (you can't think it's forcing, can you?), how could south NOT raise 5♥ with his hand? With your #1 in mind, it's almost obvious to bid the grand....

uhh, I hate to speak for someone else, but I took #1 pass comment not as pass over 5C, but as pass in 1st seat. No sane person would pass 5C with 5-card support and a near opener.

Yes, I overlooked that possibility - your most probably right. Apologies to Uwe.

[NickRW]

Yuh, hold my hand up, 4♥ was a better call. Good night tho despite this disaster

Anyhow..., no comment from Jilly - hope you're feeling better after someone else posting one of their not so wonderful moments

Nick

[P_Marlowe]

skaeran, on Sep 2 2008, 12:48 PM, said:

SoTired, on Sep 2 2008, 05:36 PM, said:

skaeran, on Sep 2 2008, 08:30 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Sep 2 2008, 09:43 AM, said:

Hi,

#1 I would have passed as North, but a matter os style
[...]

To me #1 and #3 is contradictory. If you would have passed 5♣ as north (you can't think it's forcing, can you?), how could south NOT raise 5♥ with his hand? With your #1 in mind, it's almost obvious to bid the grand....

uhh, I hate to speak for someone else, but I took #1 pass comment not as pass over 5C, but as pass in 1st seat. No sane person would pass 5C with 5-card support and a near opener.

Yes, I overlooked that possibility - your most probably right. Apologies to Uwe.

Yes, i was commenting on the issue "to open \ not to open"
with the North hand (which is a style issue), but since its nice,
that at least SoTired believes I am "sane", no need to appologies,
it made my day .-).

With kind regards
Marlowe