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you cant sit for this can you?
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Posted 2008-September-01, 11:35
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Pass 5♣ Pass ?
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
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Posted 2008-September-01, 11:37
You can't double with this hand, you should bid 3♦ with no agreement or 4♦ if you agreed that that is ♦+♥.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
George Carlin
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Posted 2008-September-01, 11:45
You can't double Jilly, either 4♦ should show 5-5 diamonds and hearts or 3♠ should show 5-5 hearts and a minor (or both) by agreement. Even if not playing either of those things, either 3♦ or 3♥ is better than double. In the position you are now in there is just no answer, since you can't be in this situation. I guess I would pass but who the heck knows.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-September-01, 11:46
Agree you can't double.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-01, 11:50
Im mighty confused. 
I see I need to go back and rework all these 2 suited take outs, doubles, michaels and what not.
I see I need to go back and rework all these 2 suited take outs, doubles, michaels and what not.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
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Posted 2008-September-01, 11:53
2-suited takeout doubles? 
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-01, 11:56
han, on Sep 1 2008, 10:53 AM, said:
2-suited takeout doubles?
you need glasses, wonder boy
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
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Posted 2008-September-01, 12:23
Yes many of them, and full.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-01, 12:34
I would take a 5D bid as a que-bid showing support for clubs, and interest in grand.
You made your bed when you gambled a takeout dbl with a singleton. Now you just have to sit.
You made your bed when you gambled a takeout dbl with a singleton. Now you just have to sit.
It costs nothing to be nice -- my better half
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Posted 2008-September-01, 12:42
han, on Sep 1 2008, 01:23 PM, said:
Yes many of them, and full.
full of what?
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Posted 2008-September-01, 13:27
Pass.
If you cant sit for it, than this just means the t/o was
wrong in the first place.
If you dont play 2-suiter after an weak two bid (3S
comes to mind), bid 3D, intending to follow up with 4H,
if you dont get another chance, you wont miss game.
If 4S comes back, I would bid 5D.
With kind regards
Marlowe
If you cant sit for it, than this just means the t/o was
wrong in the first place.
If you dont play 2-suiter after an weak two bid (3S
comes to mind), bid 3D, intending to follow up with 4H,
if you dont get another chance, you wont miss game.
If 4S comes back, I would bid 5D.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2008-September-01, 13:30
jillybean2, on Sep 1 2008, 12:50 PM, said:
Im mighty confused. I see I need to go back and rework all these 2 suited take outs, doubles, michaels and what not.
I see I need to go back and rework all these 2 suited take outs, doubles, michaels and what not.If you say "2 suited t/o", I think you refer to
hands, which allow ELC, ... make sure you
have discussed this concept with partner,
it is certainly ok, but you cant assume this.
If you happen to play ELC, I guess 5D is natural.
With kind regards
Marlowe
PS: My recommendation is, forget ELC until you think
about yourself as adv and have formed an regular
partnership.
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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