If North when? Presumably over 5♦ ...
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#1
Posted 2008-August-25, 21:22
If North when? Presumably over 5♦ ...
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#2
Posted 2008-August-25, 22:36
North has shown at least 65 in C & S but it is South who knows he holds a double fit.
The only issue is whether with such a good hand North should double 5H : do the right thing partner...
I would guess as South to take out insurance with 5S...but there again I would roll the dice with a double as North to confirm my strength (and As as compared with say 66 headed by KQTs and certainly would have bid the same way ue 3C & 4S with KQJTx void xx KQJxxx).
regards
The only issue is whether with such a good hand North should double 5H : do the right thing partner...
I would guess as South to take out insurance with 5S...but there again I would roll the dice with a double as North to confirm my strength (and As as compared with say 66 headed by KQTs and certainly would have bid the same way ue 3C & 4S with KQJTx void xx KQJxxx).
regards
#3
Posted 2008-August-26, 12:11
Eventhough north already showed a hand with playing strength with his jump to 4♠, I think the hand is so good that you should double 5♦ to show real power.
Anyway, south should bid 5♠ over 5♥ with a known double fit and no defence, whether or not north doubled.
Anyway, south should bid 5♠ over 5♥ with a known double fit and no defence, whether or not north doubled.
Kind regards,
Harald
Harald
#4
Posted 2008-August-26, 13:17
These hands are an optical illusion. S thinks he is just a 4x3, but in fact he has a great hand for partner. I think he really needs to bid 5♠.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
George Carlin
George Carlin
#5
Posted 2008-August-26, 15:18
Disagree with the crowd, it's double dummy to say south should raise. North should double 5♦, and then it's reasonable for south to pull. I think raising directly is too likely to trade a plus for a minus, and the danger of losing control before clubs set up is HUGE from south's perspective so it could be a large minus.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
#6
Posted 2008-August-26, 17:52
I think bidding 5 over 5 by South would be ridiculous in the actual auction.
Agree that North should double 5♦ (or 5♥ if you like), and now South has a tough decision to make. I would still pass, but maybe could be persuaded that bidding is better.
Agree that North should double 5♦ (or 5♥ if you like), and now South has a tough decision to make. I would still pass, but maybe could be persuaded that bidding is better.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
#7
Posted 2008-August-27, 01:11
If someone, it is South, North has shown
his hand, ... I am pretty sure I would not
have.
It will help, if you know your partner, because
you would know, how a min. hand for North
would look like.
With kind regards
Marlowe
his hand, ... I am pretty sure I would not
have.
It will help, if you know your partner, because
you would know, how a min. hand for North
would look like.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#8
Posted 2008-August-27, 17:52
I like jdonn's suggestion best but then again i was sitting south and didn't bid 5♠.
I had the hand slightly wrong - north didn't have the ♣10. I wrote the hand up at work without reference to the hand record. Maybe I also the dealer wrong.
I was playing with my regular partner so I know her style reasonably well. However we had never had an auction like this before over a strong 2♣ so I couldn't be sure how many tricks she might have to bid this way.
Here is the complete hand:
I had the hand slightly wrong - north didn't have the ♣10. I wrote the hand up at work without reference to the hand record. Maybe I also the dealer wrong.
I was playing with my regular partner so I know her style reasonably well. However we had never had an auction like this before over a strong 2♣ so I couldn't be sure how many tricks she might have to bid this way.
Here is the complete hand:
Scoring: IMP
Pass (2♣) 3♣ (Pass)
Pass (3♥) 4♠ (Pass)
Pass (5♦) Pass (5♥)
Pass (Pass) Pass
Pass (2♣) 3♣ (Pass)
Pass (3♥) 4♠ (Pass)
Pass (5♦) Pass (5♥)
Pass (Pass) Pass
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#9
Posted 2008-August-27, 18:12
It seems to me that the decision must be close.
Swap the ♣K and ♦Q and the ♥7 and ♥9 and noone can make anything.
Swap the ♣K and ♦Q and the ♥7 and ♥9 and noone can make anything.
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#10
Posted 2008-August-28, 22:04
Not real sure how to respond to the poll... I don't think south made an error. I think north should absolutely have doubled. What if north was just dickering around trying to push them to 5? Without encouragement... there are 2 big ways that south jumping in could be wrong.
Now once north makes the obvious double, south has the obvious pull. Also, if south has shortness in both black suits, 5♥ is likely toast so multiple ways to win for the double.
Now once north makes the obvious double, south has the obvious pull. Also, if south has shortness in both black suits, 5♥ is likely toast so multiple ways to win for the double.
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(2♣) 3♣ (Pass) Pass
(3♥) 4♠ (Pass) Pass
(5♦) Pass (5♥) Pass
(Pass) Pass