[gnasher]

ArtK78, on Jun 6 2008, 09:48 PM, said:

When you have 0346 shape, the most likely rebid by partner will be 3♠.  After that, the most likely rebids by partner will be 2♠ or 4♠.

I don't think you want to hear any of those bids.

I agree. I don't mind responding on a bad hand with support, or with a suit of my own that I can hope to play in. When I have neither, I think it optimistic to hope to gain by responding.

[jdonn]

ArtK78, on Jun 6 2008, 03:48 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jun 6 2008, 03:44 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jun 5 2008, 06:21 PM, said:

Noble's example was 31(45) after a 1S opener, but I would also understand bidding with like 0346 in order to avoid playing 1S, and possibly to find a game if partner has a 2 suiter (yes that's right a GAME when you have ZERO points!) as well as make it tough on the opps who will have a tough time bidding with spade length.

Agree; I would never pass 1♠ on 0346 if NV

When you have 0346 shape, the most likely rebid by partner will be 3♠. After that, the most likely rebids by partner will be 2♠ or 4♠.

I don't think you want to hear any of those bids.

Why don't you want to hear 2♠, if partner bids that you just stole 3NT by the opponents (or maybe even 3♠).

[fromageGB]

I'm in the camp of forcing next step is 0-6 points with 3 card support. A minimum 3 with a flat hand, though.

If I do not have 3 card support I will need a minimum 6, but will go slightly weaker if I have a 7 card suit I would not be ashamed of bidding to play, if partner showed a strong hand.

Maximum for me is unlimited without support. Even 20+. I need a 5 card suit for a 2 over 1. No doubt you can have fancy conventions for very strong hands, but I don't have any.

Here in the UK you sometimes get funny looks when after hearing 1NT alerted the oppos ask "how strong?" and you say 0 to 20.

The question was about a stake in the ground for a direct raise. Definitely 7-10 3 card suit (playing Bergen). And it may be 4 card support in a 4333 shape.

[jtfanclub]

fromageGB, on Jun 7 2008, 09:48 AM, said:

Maximum for me is unlimited without support. Even 20+. I need a 5 card suit for a 2 over 1. No doubt you can have fancy conventions for very strong hands, but I don't have any.

Here in the UK you sometimes get funny looks when after hearing 1NT alerted the oppos ask "how strong?" and you say 0 to 20.

Happened to play against Mike Flader yesterday. He said that you don't need to alert 1NT even if you can have amazingly strong hands in it- just announce it.

I'm forgetting where that came up.

I'm not recommending it, mind you, but you're allowed to do it.

[blackshoe]

This is what the ACBL Alert Regulation says:

Quote

1♥-P-1NT:
Not Alertable if natural and non-forcing. Announceable if it is forcing or semi-forcing. Alert if it: 1) promises spades or 2) has some other conventional meaning.
(Note: Semi-forcing in this case means that opener may pass with a minimum and 5-3-3-2 distribution but otherwise will treat it as a forcing notrump. Passed-hand 1NT responses, unless they cannot be passed, do not require an Announcement.
1♠-P-1NT:
Not Alertable if natural and non-forcing. Announceable if it is forcing or semi-forcing. Other conventional agreements require an Alert.

So Mike is right, so long as it's forcing and not otherwise conventional. And in ACBL jurisdiction.

As to recommending it, why not? It's not just "allowed" it's what the rules tell you to do. Presumably responder's rebid will clarify things (an alert may be required then).

[P_Marlowe]

mikestar, on Jun 6 2008, 03:16 PM, said:

If we are never going to pass an opening one bid, then why the hell are we playing 2/1 instead of Fantunes?

Nobody said, that they will always respond.

#1 The discussion concerned only openings with 1 in a Mayor.
#2 Most would require shape and fit for openers mayor to respond.

With kind regards
Marlowe