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playing fairly normal 2/1 you pick up:
T5 AQJT8 KQ AKQ3
imps, first seat, all white.
what's your plan?
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strongish hand plan?
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Posted 2008-June-02, 04:30
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Posted 2008-June-02, 04:40
1♥ (planning to bid 3♣). It is too likely that this hand plays better in hearts than NT to go the 2♣->2N route, and this hand is short a little to go 2♣->2♥.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 05:22
If I knew for sure that I would be able to bid 2C.. 2H.. 3C then I would do that. Since I don't I will open 1H.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 05:31
I'm loaded for bear in the roundeds, why wouldn't I open 1♥ planning to JS? I don't think this is quite good enough for a Kokish sequence and 2N is a distortion.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 06:30
What does Kokish have to do with it? IS 2C..2H..3C stronger when playing Kokish?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 06:36
Kokish if allowed.
If partner shows a negative with 2♥, tough decision, whether pass or 2NT, but pass seems right.
If partner shows a negative with 2♥, tough decision, whether pass or 2NT, but pass seems right.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 08:56
1♥ followed by a jump shift to 3♣.
This hand is not so strong that I would think we are missing a game if 1♥ is passed out, so there is no need to open 2♣ and possibly have problems thereafter. Is it possible to miss a good game by opening 1♥? Yes, but it is not likely.
This hand is not so strong that I would think we are missing a game if 1♥ is passed out, so there is no need to open 2♣ and possibly have problems thereafter. Is it possible to miss a good game by opening 1♥? Yes, but it is not likely.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 13:21
1♥ followed by Gazzilli
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Posted 2008-June-02, 13:34
The 2♣...2♥ course seems okay to me.
Suppose partner has ♥Kx(x) and nothing else. If partner has four clubs, you probably have ten tricks in hearts (5♥, 1♦, 4♣). If partner has two clubs you probably have ten tricks in hearts (ruff the small club in dummy). If partner has three clubs you still have chances (clubs could break 3-3, partner could have ♣J, the long clubs could be with the longer hearts, etc). I don't think partner would bid over 1♥ on the likes of xxxx Kxx xxxx xx or xxxx Kx xxxx Jxx or xxx Kx xxxx xxxx.
And it's not just the heart king; any ace gives you pretty good play for game. The spade king will put game on a finesse if partner has a few hearts.
So if partner will routinely bid over 1♥ with three points and three hearts, or with an ace and two hearts then 1♥ followed by 3♣ seems fine. But if partner typically passes 1♥ with such hands, then opening 2♣ seems like a good idea to me.
Suppose partner has ♥Kx(x) and nothing else. If partner has four clubs, you probably have ten tricks in hearts (5♥, 1♦, 4♣). If partner has two clubs you probably have ten tricks in hearts (ruff the small club in dummy). If partner has three clubs you still have chances (clubs could break 3-3, partner could have ♣J, the long clubs could be with the longer hearts, etc). I don't think partner would bid over 1♥ on the likes of xxxx Kxx xxxx xx or xxxx Kx xxxx Jxx or xxx Kx xxxx xxxx.
And it's not just the heart king; any ace gives you pretty good play for game. The spade king will put game on a finesse if partner has a few hearts.
So if partner will routinely bid over 1♥ with three points and three hearts, or with an ace and two hearts then 1♥ followed by 3♣ seems fine. But if partner typically passes 1♥ with such hands, then opening 2♣ seems like a good idea to me.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 13:48
1♥ then 3♣
It is not impossible that 1♥ generates all pass on a hand where we have game, but the odds are very much against it... we are missing a lot of points and a lot of spades, including all the big ones. Real opps rarely pass these out.
If partner is the type who needs 6 hcp to respond, explain that he or she needs to get with the modern game.
It is not impossible that 1♥ generates all pass on a hand where we have game, but the odds are very much against it... we are missing a lot of points and a lot of spades, including all the big ones. Real opps rarely pass these out.
If partner is the type who needs 6 hcp to respond, explain that he or she needs to get with the modern game.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 13:57
han, on Jun 2 2008, 06:22 AM, said:
If I knew for sure that I would be able to bid 2C.. 2H.. 3C then I would do that. Since I don't I will open 1H.
Even if I knew this I wouldn't do it, I think that calling this a strong 2 in hearts is an overbid. This hand is not really that great imo.
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Posted 2008-June-02, 20:07
1♥ then rebid 3♣. This hand is not worth a 2♣ opening.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 12:18
This is a good hand, but a tad shy of what I need to open 2♣ so 1♥ then jump shift 3♣ for me as well.
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