[onoway]

Bidding;
2♠s X Pass 3♠
The question is, what if anything, does that bid say about ♥?

[blackshoe]

For me, it implies four hearts.

[peachy]

For me, it says we have game and we might have slam. If I had 4+ hearts, I would bid them at some level so for me to show up with 4+hearts after bidding 3S, it means my hand is suggesting slam.

[zasanya]

I have seen the following 2 variations .
1)Asking for a ♠ stopper.The responder has a long minor and is suggesting 3NT.
2)Support for remaining 3 suits.4♥ guaranteed but no 5 card suit.Slammish hand.
There could be other variations.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

It denies them, at least for the time being.
3S asks for a stopper nothing more / less.

If I dont have a stopper, I bid my longest suit.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[barryallen]

Why would anyone want to use anything other than Lebensohl or the like? Giving you so many options and definitions that I cannot see the downside? Having a system such as Lebensohl over prepared minor with subsequent WJO, NT opening interference, opponents weak 2 opening, just seems logical to me?

[FrancesHinden]

I assume that all you have agreed to play is "double take-out plus lebensohl".

If that's the case, then 3♠ can't promise four hearts, all it says is

"I have a game forcing hand or better and cannot place the final contract now"

because most other (non-game) bids are not forcing.

If you are in a regular partnership, you might like to consider all of the following:

an immediate 3NT
2NT followed by 3S
2NT followed by 3NT
an immediate 4m
2NT following by 4m
2NT followed by 3H
2NT followed by 4H

once you've decided what all of those mean, then 3S takes care of the remainder..

[fromageGB]

FrancesHinden, on Jun 3 2008, 09:23 AM, said:

I assume that all you have agreed to play is "double take-out plus lebensohl".

If that's the case, then 3♠ ...

The way I play is in the immediate overcall position, X is ostensibly 3 suited takeout, and other bids are Lebensohl. In response to a takeout double, bids are Lebensohl. So for me 3♠ shows a game force with a stop in spades and 4 hearts. (2NT then 3♠ would be game force with 4 hearts and no spade stop.)

Whether you play immediate cue shows spade stop or denies one, to answer the original question, 3♠ shows 4 hearts.

[fromageGB]

P_Marlowe, on Jun 1 2008, 12:39 PM, said:

3S asks for a stopper nothing more / less.

Hey, are we awake? I thought partner doubled 2♠ for takeout. What 1444 shape has good spade stops?

Of course, I extend my apologies if your double shows nothing but "values".

[gnasher]

fromageGB, on Jun 3 2008, 10:15 PM, said:

So for me 3♠ shows a game force with a stop in spades and 4 hearts. (2NT then 3♠ would be game force with 4 hearts and no spade stop.)

That seems to be designed to maximise the chance of playing 3NT from the wrong side.

[karlson]

I think this is a spot where expert standard is not very well defined, but I would assume that this is 4 hearts with another place to play, that other place not being 3N.

[fromageGB]

gnasher, on Jun 3 2008, 04:39 PM, said:

fromageGB, on Jun 3 2008, 10:15 PM, said:

So for me 3♠ shows a game force with a stop in spades and 4 hearts.  (2NT then 3♠ would be game force with 4 hearts and no spade stop.)

That seems to be designed to maximise the chance of playing 3NT from the wrong side.

You are absolutely right. I must try and convince partner.