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(1♠)-2♣-(3♣)-dbl
Your partner overcalled 2♣, and RHO cue-bid to show limit raise.
What do you play double by you now?
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How do you play this double?
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Posted 2008-May-17, 19:21
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Posted 2008-May-18, 02:40
lead directing, either showing or denying a honor.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 02:57
cnszsun, on May 18 2008, 03:21 AM, said:
(1♠)-2♣-(3♣)-dbl
Your partner overcalled 2♣, and RHO cue-bid to show limit raise.
What do you play double by you now?
Your partner overcalled 2♣, and RHO cue-bid to show limit raise.
What do you play double by you now?
Lead directing for me.
Normally showing a top honour, but I play it as denying with some.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 03:00
X = "Don't lead ♣"
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Posted 2008-May-18, 05:05
A hand that would have raised to 3♣. Being able to judge whether to compete to 4♣ or save in 5♣ is more important than lead-direction. Often a player who overcalls at the two level has an obvious lead anyway.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-May-18, 08:24
gnasher, on May 18 2008, 06:05 AM, said:
A hand that would have raised to 3♣.
agree
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Posted 2008-May-18, 10:21
Raise in clubs. Analogous to (1H)-1S-(2S)-X etc.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 10:51
gnasher, on May 18 2008, 06:05 AM, said:
A hand that would have raised to 3♣. Being able to judge whether to compete to 4♣ or save in 5♣ is more important than lead-direction. Often a player who overcalls at the two level has an obvious lead anyway.
100% agreement here !
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Posted 2008-May-18, 23:19
A, K, or void in clubs. Saving is valuable, but having partner be able to underlead an ace with suit preference back to boot is valuable, too.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 04:05
Jlall, on May 18 2008, 09:24 AM, said:
gnasher, on May 18 2008, 06:05 AM, said:
A hand that would have raised to 3♣.
agree
I agree too.
Last week, we had the following auction that was slightly different:
(1♦)-2♠-(3♠)-Dbl
2♠ was weak. What does this double mean (given that it doesn't make sense for partner to show that he had a preemptive raise to 3♠)?
Rik
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Posted 2008-May-19, 06:07
Trinidad, on May 19 2008, 05:05 AM, said:
Jlall, on May 18 2008, 09:24 AM, said:
gnasher, on May 18 2008, 06:05 AM, said:
A hand that would have raised to 3♣.
agree
I agree too.
Last week, we had the following auction that was slightly different:
(1♦)-2♠-(3♠)-Dbl
2♠ was weak. What does this double mean (given that it doesn't make sense for partner to show that he had a preemptive raise to 3♠)?
Rik
Lead directional.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 08:40
There was another recent thread (which I am too lazy to find 
) which also involved doubling the cue bid to show a raise.
I have always played these doubles as lead directing, if only on the general principal that if you have a choice between doubling a bid to show a suit, and bidding to show a suit, you are always better off bidding. (For example, they bid Stayman and your hand is such that you could overcall 3♣, I would much prefer to overcall than to double to show clubs). But, I can see that if partner has overcalled, you could easily have a hand worth raising to the 2 level but not the three level, and having the 'raise' meaning for the double could be useful.
It seems that people who play the double as a raise (I guess, a raise to exactly the level the opponents bid your suit?) do believe it is a lot more useful than the lead direct. What is a good set of rules for when a double shows the raise, and when it shows something else?
) which also involved doubling the cue bid to show a raise.I have always played these doubles as lead directing, if only on the general principal that if you have a choice between doubling a bid to show a suit, and bidding to show a suit, you are always better off bidding. (For example, they bid Stayman and your hand is such that you could overcall 3♣, I would much prefer to overcall than to double to show clubs). But, I can see that if partner has overcalled, you could easily have a hand worth raising to the 2 level but not the three level, and having the 'raise' meaning for the double could be useful.
It seems that people who play the double as a raise (I guess, a raise to exactly the level the opponents bid your suit?) do believe it is a lot more useful than the lead direct. What is a good set of rules for when a double shows the raise, and when it shows something else?
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Posted 2008-May-19, 09:27
We play it two ways:
NV: Suggests a save in that suit.
Vul: Lead Directing.
NV: Suggests a save in that suit.
Vul: Lead Directing.
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