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Posted 2008-May-14, 18:20

KJ9
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AKTxxx

2♦-p-2♥-?

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Posted 2008-May-14, 18:24

3♣.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 18:25

3♣ looks normal.

Our red suit stoppers are a bit skinny to bid some number of notrumps right away.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 18:29

3♣.

I play x here is takeout of diamonds. NT is so bad.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 19:08

rogerclee, on May 14 2008, 04:29 PM, said:

3♣.

I play x here is takeout of diamonds. NT is so bad.

You don't play it as penalty of hearts?

Is 2♥ forcing? I might get a better read if I pass, but 3♣ looks normal enough. 3N is a bit much but might work.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 19:11

If RHO is playing around with a diamond fit, then it is time to punish him. Bid 3♣, and when he gets 3♦ back him you double and show your hand much much better at a lower level than you ever could have without his help.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 19:12

pclayton, on May 14 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

rogerclee, on May 14 2008, 04:29 PM, said:

3♣.

I play x here is takeout of diamonds. NT is so bad.

You don't play it as penalty of hearts?

Didn't we have the same discussion a few weeks ago? I vote for takeout of diamonds as the superior treatment, btw.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 19:33

cherdano, on May 14 2008, 08:12 PM, said:

pclayton, on May 14 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

rogerclee, on May 14 2008, 04:29 PM, said:

3♣.

I play x here is takeout of diamonds. NT is so bad.

You don't play it as penalty of hearts?

Didn't we have the same discussion a few weeks ago? I vote for takeout of diamonds as the superior treatment, btw.

I think it's clear takeout of diamonds is superior. If he is not psyching then it's more common than showing hearts, and you don't want to show them anyway. If he is psyching then he probably has a diamond fit and you need a bid for takeout, and lose nothing by having to bid 3♥ natural compared to if he had raised diamonds instead.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 19:59

cherdano, on May 14 2008, 08:11 PM, said:

If RHO is playing around with a diamond fit, then it is time to punish him. Bid 3♣, and when he gets 3♦ back him you double and show your hand much much better at a lower level than you ever could have without his help.

Agreed
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Posted 2008-May-14, 20:34

pclayton, on May 14 2008, 06:08 PM, said:

rogerclee, on May 14 2008, 04:29 PM, said:

3♣.

I play x here is takeout of diamonds. NT is so bad.

You don't play it as penalty of hearts?

Is 2♥ forcing? I might get a better read if I pass, but 3♣ looks normal enough. 3N is a bit much but might work.

I know Marshall Miles advocates having a penalty double when they step out of line like this, but the reason I play it takeout is basically that...agree with jdonn :rolleyes:.
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Posted 2008-May-14, 23:01

Torn between 3♣ and 3NT.
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