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What next? Junior Camrose problem

Poll: What do you call? (33 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you call?

  1. Pass (10 votes [30.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.30%

  2. 2D (12 votes [36.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.36%

  3. 2H (10 votes [30.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.30%

  4. 2S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 2NT (1 votes [3.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.03%

  6. 3H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2008-February-19, 23:54

Jlall, on Feb 20 2008, 12:08 PM, said:

And opposite what shape will you play a 3-3 fit? Partner has less than 4 spades and less than 3 hearts. If he is 3136 he will bid 3C most of the time. So to play a 3-3 fit you need him to be 3136 with 6 very bad clubs. Seems quite likely.

Not that unlikely given your stiff C. Also the Cs don't need to be "very bad". With, say KJ empty to 6, you would probably pass 2D.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 03:36

The young player at the table bid 2NT, a highly optimistic view in the system they were playing. This did not go well when partner tabled

♠ xx
♥ xx
♦ Jxxxxx
♣ KJx

I thought 2♦ was clear but I could see the problem that the player struggled with. Like one of MickyB's problems, he held a hand that could make a lot of tricks opposite the right cards but [our] experience suggests that starting slow is the best chance of finding this out.

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Posted 2008-February-20, 04:19

I didn't notice the system part (thought 1NT was forcing). Since 1NT is not forcing, pass is obvious.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 04:42

cardsharp, on Feb 20 2008, 04:36 PM, said:

The young player at the table bid 2NT, a highly optimistic view in the system they were playing. This did not go well when partner tabled

♠ xx
♥ xx
♦ Jxxxxx
♣ KJx

I thought 2♦ was clear but I could see the problem that the player struggled with. Like one of MickyB's problems, he held a hand that could make a lot of tricks opposite the right cards but [our] experience suggests that starting slow is the best chance of finding this out.

Paul

He didn't even have a 1NT bid. I agree that 2D is clear - clearly wrong!
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Posted 2008-February-20, 05:14

awm, on Feb 19 2008, 08:20 PM, said:

Pass. If 1NT is constrained to at most a bad 10-count and denies three hearts or four spades (as is normal in a system where 1NT is NF) then I don't think we're likely to miss a game.

1NT does by no means deny 3-card support in Acol, although better players may be more likely to raise on 3 than average club players.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 08:37

I voted for 2♦ and personally I wouldn't make any other bid but I wouldn't mind if my partner bid 2♥. They've got a stiff, all the spots, and aces in the other two suits. But like I said, it's not my call.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 08:38

The_Hog, on Feb 20 2008, 05:42 AM, said:

cardsharp, on Feb 20 2008, 04:36 PM, said:

The young player at the table bid 2NT, a highly optimistic view in the system they were playing. This did not go well when partner tabled

♠ xx
♥ xx
♦ Jxxxxx
♣ KJx

I thought 2♦ was clear but I could see the problem that the player struggled with. Like one of MickyB's problems, he held a hand that could make a lot of tricks opposite the right cards but [our] experience suggests that starting slow is the best chance of finding this out.

Paul

He didn't even have a 1NT bid. I agree that 2D is clear - clearly wrong!

I disagree, this is an obvious 1NT to me. I'm happy if partner bids anything but 2♠. Here he SHOULD bid 2♦ and... now 1NT has been upgraded to 'genius'
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Posted 2008-February-20, 09:05

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in which part of the world does 2 ♥ keep game in the picture after a non forcing 1 NT bid? Not where I live.


You mean that you always pass 2H ?

1H---1Nt
2H---2Nt

1H---1Nt
2H---2S

1H---1Nt
2H----3H

These dont exist in your system ?

Im not saying that i expect to reach game often, but my chances are surely better then those who passed 1Nt.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 09:10

Pass, but I can live with 2H.

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Posted 2008-February-20, 09:13

cardsharp, on Feb 20 2008, 04:36 AM, said:

The young player at the table bid 2NT, a highly optimistic view in the system they were playing. This did not go well when partner tabled

♠ xx
♥ xx
♦ Jxxxxx
♣ KJx

I thought 2♦ was clear but I could see the problem that the player struggled with. Like one of MickyB's problems, he held a hand that could make a lot of tricks opposite the right cards but [our] experience suggests that starting slow is the best chance of finding this out.

Paul

How about Pass instead of 1NT?

One of the adv. of playing 1 NT as forcing is,
that you are able to reach 2D with this kind
of hand, but if you dont play it, pass.

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