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QTxxxx xx - AKJxx
????, game all.LHO dealer i.e. p opens in 2nd seat.
Bidding is
1♥ 1♠
2♦ 2♠
3♠ ?
I don't care if you'd rather say something other than 2♠. Your mouse slipped.
I hope I gave enough options!
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Posted 2008-February-15, 22:40
Same hand as before....
QTxxxx xx - AKJxx
????, game all.LHO dealer i.e. p opens in 2nd seat.
Bidding is
1♥ 1♠
2♦ 2♠
3♠ ?
I don't care if you'd rather say something other than 2♠. Your mouse slipped.
I hope I gave enough options!
QTxxxx xx - AKJxx
????, game all.LHO dealer i.e. p opens in 2nd seat.
Bidding is
1♥ 1♠
2♦ 2♠
3♠ ?
I don't care if you'd rather say something other than 2♠. Your mouse slipped.
I hope I gave enough options!
#2 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2008-February-15, 22:42
I thought the question was whether to try for slam or not, but given your poll thing it looks like you want to try for 3N? Not sure why you'd ever want to try for 3N with 6-5 and a diamond void...
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Posted 2008-February-15, 22:45
Jlall, on Feb 15 2008, 11:42 PM, said:
I thought the question was whether to try for slam or not, but given your poll thing it looks like you want to try for 3N? Not sure why you'd ever want to try for 3N with 6-5 and a diamond void...
I was assuming that 4♣ was the slam try. Is that not correct?
EDIT: Sounds like I may not have had enough options. Please treat 4♣ as "4♣ or other slam try".
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Posted 2008-February-15, 22:50
jtfanclub, on Feb 15 2008, 11:45 PM, said:
Jlall, on Feb 15 2008, 11:42 PM, said:
I thought the question was whether to try for slam or not, but given your poll thing it looks like you want to try for 3N? Not sure why you'd ever want to try for 3N with 6-5 and a diamond void...
I was assuming that 4♣ was the slam try. Is that not correct?
ah ok i see 4!C now, I am blind! lol
Anyways to me it's 4C or 4S, I would probably just bid 4S my trumps suck and i want them to lead a club pretty badly and partner didn't have enough to bid 4S (which he would do with 3 spades and the ntus).
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Posted 2008-February-15, 23:20
I'm in for 4♣. There's a few maxi-mins that make slam pretty good.
This post has been edited by pclayton: 2008-February-16, 18:23
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Posted 2008-February-16, 14:02
4♣ for me also. If partner bids 4♥ we belong to slam.
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Posted 2008-February-16, 15:12
Put me down for 4♣ too. I'm not selling out slam that easily now.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 01:24
4C. Fail to see why 3NT is even mentioned as a possibility.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 02:02
#1 Other
#2 I would have bid something else than 2S,
but 2S is ok, .... as long as you play weak
jump shifts and 2S showed 10-12 and a
6 carder
#3 I am not going to pass, and I am not going
to play 3NT, I would bid 4S or go looking for 6,
the later, if partners 3S bid showed a 5431
shape
This depends on your partnership style.
Would opener have raised to 2S, if he had a
5431 shape?
If he would have raised, the 3S just shows 2 card
support, and I would sign of, my clubs wont run,
and I may have a problem with trumps.
With kind regards
Marlowe
#2 I would have bid something else than 2S,
but 2S is ok, .... as long as you play weak
jump shifts and 2S showed 10-12 and a
6 carder
#3 I am not going to pass, and I am not going
to play 3NT, I would bid 4S or go looking for 6,
the later, if partners 3S bid showed a 5431
shape
This depends on your partnership style.
Would opener have raised to 2S, if he had a
5431 shape?
If he would have raised, the 3S just shows 2 card
support, and I would sign of, my clubs wont run,
and I may have a problem with trumps.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2008-February-18, 02:46
4♣ whatever the scoring.
I would never bid 2♠ but I don't play weak jumps.
I would never bid 2♠ but I don't play weak jumps.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 02:54
I still think the 4C people are overbidding. Lets say partner has Axx AKJxx Axxx x, which is a clear 4S bid over 2S and is a GREAT hand. Slam is a long way off even opposite this. Given your poor trumps and all of your club losers I really think 4C is too much and am more worried about partner having something like Ax AQxxx KQxx xx where they avoid a club lead after our 4C bid and we go down in game.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 03:19
In my book partner is raising on a doubleton. With 3S and a good hand he will bid 4 , and with 3S and a weak/medium hand he would have bid 2S instead of 2D (at least in MP)
Facing partner good 2542 ill be happy to make 4S
Facing partner good 2542 ill be happy to make 4S
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Posted 2008-February-18, 04:35
4♠. It's still a misfit-ish hand.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 05:38
Wow, I'm the only one who bid differently depending on scoring, Is this really so silly?
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Posted 2008-February-18, 14:36
helene_t, on Feb 18 2008, 05:38 AM, said:
Wow, I'm the only one who bid differently depending on scoring, Is this really so silly?
Both at IMPs and MPs you need a small slam to be 50% to make it worth bidding, why do you want to bid differently depending on the form of scoring?
(Ok, if a significant part of the field plays a part-score then probably you need slightly better odds at MPs than at IMPs, but that is too subtle for me.)
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Posted 2008-February-18, 17:35
cherdano, on Feb 19 2008, 09:36 AM, said:
helene_t, on Feb 18 2008, 05:38 AM, said:
Wow, I'm the only one who bid differently depending on scoring, Is this really so silly?
Both at IMPs and MPs you need a small slam to be 50% to make it worth bidding, why do you want to bid differently depending on the form of scoring?
(Ok, if a significant part of the field plays a part-score then probably you need slightly better odds at MPs than at IMPs, but that is too subtle for me.)
At IMPs giving away information that costs an overtrick is immaterial whereas this could be a disaster at MPs.
This is probably not the only reason.
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Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2008-February-19, 04:42
cherdano, on Feb 18 2008, 08:36 PM, said:
Both at IMPs and MPs you need a small slam to be 50% to make it worth bidding, why do you want to bid differently depending on the form of scoring?
(Ok, if a significant part of the field plays a part-score then probably you need slightly better odds at MPs than at IMPs, but that is too subtle for me.)
(Ok, if a significant part of the field plays a part-score then probably you need slightly better odds at MPs than at IMPs, but that is too subtle for me.)
yeah, bidding close slams at matchpoints is risky unless you're in a strong field, where everybody thinks he can pull it off with some brilliant coup
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