[mikegill]

Scoring: IMP

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You open a 0+ precision 1♦, LHO bids 3♥, partner shows a slam try with both minors (at least 5-5). Assume partner has his bid, and your only options are 5d or 6d. Bid it or not?

[cherdano]

Yes.

[Cascade]

cherdano, on Feb 6 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

Yes.

lol

[Cascade]

♠ Qxxx is a poorish holding

♥ Qx is a very poor holding

♦ AQxxx is great

♣ Kx is a good holding

13 hcp are average

3 controls are slightly below average

Toss a coin - heads I bid it tails I don't.

I wouldn't be surprised to find it cold and I wouldn't be surprised to find it had no play.

On balance I think I would bid it - this might depend on what hands exactly are included in your 1♦ opening but assuming I could have some balanced rubbish my hand is much better than it might have been.

I'm curious what is your method to show specifically a slammish hand with both minors.

[mikeh]

Edit: I completely misread the problem so my original post was absurd and has been removed

[cherdano]

Since I was quoting and replying to a now removed post, I have removed this post as well...

[pclayton]

Assuming I read the problem correctly, I would not bid slam. I do not have any certainty about holding my s/h/c losers to one.

[jdonn]

I would bid slam. I'm not 100% confident, but I'm >50% confident. The minor suits are just too good, I'm counting on partner in the majors.

[han]

I would not bid slam, I think my major suit holdings are too poor. I agree that it is very close though.

[rogerclee]

My major Q's look horrible, but my Kx of clubs looks great, not to mention my diamond support. I think I am worth some sort of shot, so I'll bid 4H, asking for heart control.

Edit: Oh, now I realize I probably can't bid 4H, since partner's "slam try in minors" bid is almost certainly at least 4H. So...I'd probably just go to slam.

[Cascade]

rogerclee, on Feb 6 2008, 01:17 PM, said:

My major Q's look horrible, but my Kx of clubs looks great, not to mention my diamond support. I think I am worth some sort of shot, so I'll bid 4H, asking for heart control.

Under the conditions of the problem there is no guarantee that this bid is available.

The auction has gone:

1♦ (3♥) ???

Where ??? is some bid to show a slammish hand with both minors - perhaps 4♥ or 4NT.

[jdonn]

Cascade, on Feb 5 2008, 07:29 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Feb 6 2008, 01:17 PM, said:

My major Q's look horrible, but my Kx of clubs looks great, not to mention my diamond support. I think I am worth some sort of shot, so I'll bid 4H, asking for heart control.

Under the conditions of the problem there is no guarantee that this bid is available.

The auction has gone:

1♦ (3♥) ???

Where ??? is some bid to show a slammish hand with both minors - perhaps 4♥ or 4NT.

People should just pretend it's 4NT which makes it clear the final decision is up to us. And for people to remember we haven't even shown diamonds yet, so 5♣ would be to play not some sort of further slam try for diamonds.

[jtfanclub]

mikegill, on Feb 5 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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You open a 0+ precision 1♦, LHO bids 3♥, partner shows a slam try with both minors (at least 5-5). Assume partner has his bid, and your only options are 5d or 6d. Bid it or not?

You open odd-count 4432s 1♦, right? So partner is forcing us to the 5 level without even knowing if we have 4 card support.

So....
x
x
KJTxx
AQJxxx

with a WJO to his right, everything's going to be off. If you had exactly the right 13 hcp, slam would be a lock.

I don't know. I was going to post that I thought slam was obvious. Then I make a sample hand to destroy it, and I can't. If your partner has this (which IMO is a minimum on both shape and points) then you'd better bid 5. On the other hand...

Kxx
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KJTxx
AQJxx

that looks like a lock for slam to me.

I don't know. Did he have any options for showing a heart void? I only have two hearts...if partner has a void that's an 11 card fit for them. They're giving up awfully meekly with that...

I've changed my mind. I think 5♦ is right.

P.S. I'd rather have Axxxx in diamonds than AQxxx.

[Codo]

He needs something like x, Ax,Kxxxx,AQxxx to make the slam, and this is surely not maximum for his bid, but rich on controls. OTOH, won´t HE bid 6 diamonds anyway with so much stuff? I have two useful cards (plus a nice shape in the minors) for him. Shouldn´t he expect at least that much?

So I overrule my first thought and bid 5 ♦.

[P_Marlowe]

No.

1D is limited to what strength 11-14, or 11-15?
If 11-14, it could certainly be argued, that I am
max, if 11-15, I am at best average.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Gerben42]

On the brakes. Might have won already by not playing 3NT?

[gwnn]

is this supposed to be for real? we have a queen and 5 diamonds above our minimum hand. 6♦

[FrancesHinden]

gwnn, on Feb 6 2008, 11:56 AM, said:

is this supposed to be for real? we have a queen and 5 diamonds above our minimum hand. 6♦

Assuming this is a 'normal' Precision 1D opener, if we didn't have diamonds we would have had clubs and partner is entitled to expect one minor suit fit. Or can we have a weak NT as well?

[lechcold]

You have to pay for playing 0+♦ opening. Now it's pure guess, but your majors are awful, so I would bid 5♦.