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#1 User is offline   dburn 

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Posted 2007-November-13, 08:06

Not sure where to put this, really, but I thought it might make a good intermediate-level test.

Scoring: IMP


You, South, play in 6 after an uncontested auction. West leads a spade. If you elect at any point to draw trumps, East will turn up with 975 and West with 64.

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Posted 2007-November-13, 11:54

A spades

finese Q diamonds if it holds play K hearts to force out the ace discarding spade then diamond discard


then you should be able to get back in with diamond ruff after you play the ace

I would be reasonably confident A hearts was with east(I may regret saying that)
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Posted 2007-November-13, 11:59

Good try, but you need the DK to be onside so you may go off if the diamond finesse loses.

There's a hint in the title to this thread: the contract is 100% (unless the opening lead is ruffed).
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Posted 2007-November-13, 12:13

think i got it... but won't say ^^
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Posted 2007-November-13, 12:24

K spades Aspades J spades (discarding the J diamnonds)

AS I am stil sure the A hearts is with East
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Posted 2007-November-13, 12:26

you can make it regardless of where A is
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Posted 2007-November-13, 12:28

Nice hand. My first instinct was to do something silly, so I really hope I would have gotten it right at the table.

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Posted 2007-November-13, 12:31

Well, this isn't 100%, but...

Win the spade in hand, small diamond to the jack.

Win any return (ruff a heart return), diamond queen. Back to the hand with a heart ruff or a club (if no clubs have been played yet). Ruff a diamond. Back to the hand with a heart ruff, draw trumps, and the last 3 tricks are the A of diamonds and the AJ of spades in that order.
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Posted 2007-November-13, 12:36

if you try to ruff the 3rd diam in dummy, if diam are 4-2 and person with the 2 diam also has the C-9, you go down.

Think of a way that is 100% (unless opening lead spade is ruffed). That makes regardless of who has the outstanding cards.

BTW, nice hand for BIL.
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Posted 2007-November-13, 13:07

Very neat.

Pretty sure I wouldn't find this at the table. :(
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Posted 2007-November-13, 13:15

Win K. Pull trumps. Q to the A. Now play the K. If covered, ruff and force the diamond entry, if not covered play a small diamond, and west must give you a dummy entry.
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Posted 2007-November-13, 13:21

Very nice hand.. TylerE has got it I think...

Reminds me of a hand from Deal of the Week (the actual source was Paul Lukacs' book I think)

(the actual hand might be different, this is from my recollection...)

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Contract 6NT.


West leads a spade. Contract is 6NT.

(dburn, sorry for hijacking the thread)
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Posted 2007-November-13, 13:21

Blofeld, on Nov 13 2007, 07:07 PM, said:

Very neat.

Pretty sure I wouldn't find this at the table. :(

I found this in 3 mins, but I'm not sure if at table I'd be looking at it like I did (i.e. as a problem.. lol).
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Posted 2007-November-13, 13:35

I need to discard 4 diamonds. I will do 3 in hearts kqj and 1 on spade. playing hearts till is cover. if is cover still ok discard a dimond then any lead by them take it an continue with hearts. I think the trick is not to ruff ace heart that cover your honor and to pich a diamond instead.
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Posted 2007-November-13, 13:35

Trumpace, on Nov 13 2007, 02:21 PM, said:

Very nice hand.. TylerE has got it I think...

Reminds me of a hand from Deal of the Week (the actual source was Paul Lukacs' book I think)

(the actual hand might be different, this is from my recollection...)

Scoring: Rubber

Contract 6NT.


West leads a spade. Contract is 6NT.

(dburn, sorry for hijacking the thread)

Win trick one, play a low diamond from hand and finesse the J. If it loses to the Q, you have 12 tricks by overtaking the K with the A in dummy.

If the J wins and both follow, return to the K and play a LOW club towards dummy to force an entry to the diamonds.

If the J wins but RHO shows out, you may be out of luck unless there is a squeeze. But anytime diamonds are not 4-0, this line works.

By the way, West cannot upset your plans by inserting the Q, since you win, return to the K and again play a low club towards dummy to force an entry.
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Posted 2007-November-13, 13:46

I think the solution is NOT dummy reversal.

that leaves 97 other possibilities. brb.

found it :( thinking and quality thinking is not the same. duh.

This post has been edited by gwnn: 2007-November-13, 14:57

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Posted 2007-November-13, 14:10

whereagles, on Nov 13 2007, 02:21 PM, said:

I found this in 3 mins, but I'm not sure if at table I'd be looking at it like I did (i.e. as a problem.. lol).

Right, I took a similar length of time. But knowing that there is a 100% line allows me to focus on looking for that and dismiss out of hand anything which could go down, rather than trying to consider lots of lines and work out which has the highest chance of success.
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Posted 2007-November-13, 15:29

Interesting hand and I like Tyler's line.

Stranding the spade winner is counter-intuitive, but necessary.
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Posted 2007-November-13, 20:14

In actual play, West had the ace of hearts and a small singleton in diamonds. To make six clubs, one had to follow the line given by Tyler: king of spades, draw trumps, overtake the queen of spades and lead the king of hearts, discarding a diamond.

Whether I would have found this line in six, I don't know. Since I was actually in seven, I was pleased to observe that the opening lead had been the ace of hearts, and I followed the advice given in the thread title.
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Posted 2007-November-14, 05:11

Got it in about 4 minutes. I might do at the table if I took that long as long as my opps and partner werren't giving me impatient glances, hehe. :)
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