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#1 User is offline   zasanya 

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Posted 2007-October-29, 23:56

Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♦-?

Should I dbl?
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Posted 2007-October-30, 00:28

Yes.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 01:11

Yes, if p now bids 2♣ he really should have five of them and you must pass. It's not nice but i won't be a disaster.
When he bids ♥ or ♠ all is ok.
After: 1♥/♠ you pass, 2♥/♠ you invite, 3♥/♠ bid game.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 02:02

No.

But I am quite old fashioned, and if
you play a t/o double style, which focuses
only on the undbid mayors, you have to.

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Posted 2007-October-30, 02:04

dicklont, on Oct 30 2007, 02:11 AM, said:

Yes, if p now bids 2♣ he really should have five of them and you must pass. It's not nice but i won't be a disaster.
When he bids ♥ or ♠ all is ok.
After: 1♥/♠ you pass, 2♥/♠ you invite, 3♥/♠ bid game.

I would not dream of inviting game,
You have a bal. 14 count with lost of wastage
in diamonds oppossite a passed partner, who
was not able to open a weak two.

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Posted 2007-October-30, 02:06

yes for sure.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 02:07

P_Marlowe, on Oct 30 2007, 03:04 AM, said:

dicklont, on Oct 30 2007, 02:11 AM, said:

Yes, if p now bids 2♣ he really should have five of them and you must pass. It's not nice but i won't be a disaster.
When he bids ♥ or ♠ all is ok.
After: 1♥/♠ you pass, 2♥/♠ you invite, 3♥/♠ bid game.

I would not dream of inviting game,
You have a bal. 14 count with lost of wastage
in diamonds oppossite a passed partner,

Since when is KJx behind the opening bidder opposite a partner with unknown diamond length "wastage"?
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Posted 2007-October-30, 02:13

Jlall, on Oct 30 2007, 03:07 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Oct 30 2007, 03:04 AM, said:

dicklont, on Oct 30 2007, 02:11 AM, said:

Yes, if p now bids 2♣ he really should have five of them and you must pass. It's not nice but i won't be a disaster.
When he bids ♥ or ♠ all is ok.
After: 1♥/♠ you pass, 2♥/♠ you invite, 3♥/♠ bid game.

I would not dream of inviting game,
You have a bal. 14 count with lost of wastage
in diamonds oppossite a passed partner,

Since when is KJx behind the opening bidder opposite a partner with unknown diamond length "wastage"?

maybe wastage is too hard phrased, I reflected
about the position, "am I before or behind the
opener", but did not give it much though and
discarded the though as not relevant.
But I would prefer to have my values else where.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2007-October-30, 04:24

I cannot imagine anything here apart from a double.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 04:26

Dbl is automatic.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 04:35

This type of hand is a tough one for beginners to grasp because we are all taught in the beginning NOT to make a t/o X with a hand like this (we need 3+ in all the unbid suits, etc).

As we get better we are told we must X with this hand, because we may get shut out/stolen from if we don't. This could cause us to miss a cold 3N, 4M, or just not compete for the partscore when we need to be. It also makes life much simpler to bid now rather than guess later. Especially with 4-4 in the majors we need to fighting to get in. The doubleton club is only a minor deterrent, but it is not even close to being enough to outweigh the gains from bidding here immediately.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 05:54

Clearcut double, passing now you won't never be able to express this shape (44 majors).
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Posted 2007-October-30, 06:02

Edmunte1, on Oct 30 2007, 06:54 AM, said:

Clearcut double, passing now you won't never be able to express this shape (44 majors).

While I can understand the reason to act now, although
I wont do it with the given hand, which is just a decision
I made a long time ago, and it may well be that I will
revise this decison in the future, I disagree with the
statement, that I wont be able to show 4-4 in the mayor
later, after all nowhere is written in the law of bridge,
that if I pass now I have to pass later.

For that matter, I may well learn later on, that it
was better to pass.

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Posted 2007-October-30, 08:03

Double !
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-October-30, 09:05

Yes, X
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Posted 2007-October-30, 09:10

Hand B:
Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♦-?

Hand C:
Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♦-?


Should he still double?
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Posted 2007-October-30, 10:27

zasanya, on Oct 30 2007, 12:56 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♦-?

Should I dbl?

Double but I think this is a great hand to discuss in more detail as Justin has attempted. Great post, but again I think forum posters forgot how tough these "auto" hands are for the rest of us. :)
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Posted 2007-October-30, 10:53

jtfanclub, on Oct 30 2007, 10:10 AM, said:

Hand B:
Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♦-?

Hand C:
Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♦-?


Should he still double?

I definitely wouldn't on hand C. I expect some to double on B, I don't have strong feelings about it.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-October-30, 11:01

A - X

B and C I think I pass smoothly. I have no conviction that this is correct.

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Posted 2007-October-30, 11:53

A=clear double
B=double, but more dubious
C=pass
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