[badderzboy]

Playing at the Local club yesterday and watched so many indescretions of the law but which ones do u see most frequently?

Last night

(1) 1nt has been annouceable for over a year now and still 3 pairs failed to announce their range (all play Acol so no big deal).

(2) West opens 1NT and East whisper counts out her hand twice (21) my ptr almost told her to bid 6NT (she bid 4NT!) and they got to six as they should (I loved the final comment I bid 4NT to check we weren't missing both Aces...)

(3) 4 Dummys acted as declarer and indicated plays b4 partner had asked for a card. On one hand Declarer has 6 Clubs and a shortage and leads a low club, b4 I play Dummy is touching the A holding AKJxxx....

One hestitation double - no influence.

Which indescretions do u let go on a local club night and which do comment to the opps in a friendly manner and which do u call the TD?



Steve

[helene_t]

Reshuffling when a board is passed out in first round. This is something I don't condone.

Putting back bidding cards as soon as someone thinks the auction is over. This is something I cannot object to because it might suggest that I want p to bid (or that I hope one of the opps will bid) but it really annoys me.

Dummy auto-playing a singleton at trick one. I don't make remarks about this.

Defenders correcting each others' misinfo after the auction. I often make remarks about this but rarely if ever call the TD.

Players correcting each others' misinfo during the auction. Same as above.

Defenders holding a card ready before their turn.

All kind of UI during the auction, less often during the play ("what a crazy board" and such comments)

[jtfanclub]

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Dummy auto-playing a singleton at trick one. I don't make remarks about this.

Technically, a singleton from dummy can be 'considered played', so dummy can do this.

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Defenders holding a card ready before their turn.

This drives me NUTS. I have a partner who does that.

Face up leads, particularly face up leads half the time from a given opponent.

Talking loudly about the previous board.

False claims.

Making stuff up when I ask the meaning of a bid "what I think it should mean", not "what we've actually agreed to".

[matmat]

CLAIM PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

[helene_t]

jtfanclub, on Oct 5 2007, 04:10 PM, said:

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Talking loudly about the previous board.
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Making stuff up when I ask the meaning of a bid "what I think it should mean", not "what we've actually agreed to".

Yes, forgot those, very frequent and very annoying indeed.

[jillybean]

Violating and ignoring the laws because "it is only a club game"

Free advice

[gwnn]

Dummy auto-playing from almost everything (i've seen dummies autoplay from KJ doubleton on the first round of the suit). I've already brutally slaughtered 17 partners for this. Oh is the Interpol reading this?

[david_c]

jtfanclub, on Oct 5 2007, 03:10 PM, said:

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Dummy auto-playing a singleton at trick one. I don't make remarks about this.

Technically, a singleton from dummy can be 'considered played', so dummy can do this.

Law 45 F:

After dummy's hand is faced, dummy may not touch or indicate any card (except for the purpose of arrangement) without instruction from declarer.

I am not aware of there being any exception for singletons. If you think there is an exception, perhaps you could provide a reference?

[AlexOgan]

Failing to wait after a skip bid.

[blackshoe]

jtfanclub, on Oct 5 2007, 09:10 AM, said:

Technically, a singleton from dummy can be 'considered played', so dummy can do this.

That turns out not to be the case. See in particular Laws 45B and 45F.

[cherdano]

DOUBLE vs grmmmhumhohmmmmm-double

[blackshoe]

Making rulings at the table.

Intimidating "bunny" opponents.

Disrespect towards the director (this is, thankfully, not all that common).

Writing in one's personal score or on the pickup slip before making the opening lead or putting down the dummy.

[jtfanclub]

david_c, on Oct 5 2007, 10:15 AM, said:

Law 45 F:

After dummy's hand is faced, dummy may not touch or indicate any card (except for the purpose of arrangement) without instruction from declarer.

I am not aware of there being any exception for singletons. If you think there is an exception, perhaps you could provide a reference?

Maybe I'm wrong...it's how I interpreted Law 57C:

"A defender is not subject to penalty for playing before his partner if declarer has played from both hands, or if dummy has played a card or has illegally suggested that it be played. A singleton in dummy, or one of cards adjacent in rank of the same suit, is not considered to be automatically played".

The last sentence isn't clear...I interpreted it as dummy can play a singleton or one of cards adjacent in rank of the same suit, but it's not considered automatically played. I think you're probably right, and I'm wrong.

[awm]

Trying to pick up the bidding cards before the auction is over. I have also seen this many times at national tournaments.

Failure to deliver the delayed alert "we have had an ace-asking sequence" (not that there's likely to be damage from this failure). I have also seen this many times at national tournaments.

Failure to announce notrump range.

Attempt to announce things which are not announcable (most frequent is "waiting" for partner's 2♦ response to 2♣).

Declaring side does not correct partner's misexplanation of their agreements.

People ask for explanation of alerted calls when it is not their turn to bid.

[blackshoe]

jtfanclub, on Oct 5 2007, 12:38 PM, said:

Maybe I'm wrong...it's how I interpreted Law 57C:

"A defender is not subject to penalty for playing before his partner if declarer has played from both hands, or if dummy has played a card or has illegally suggested that it be played.  A singleton in dummy, or one of cards adjacent in rank of the same suit, is not considered to be automatically played".

The last sentence isn't clear...I interpreted it as dummy can play a singleton or one of cards adjacent in rank of the same suit, but it's not considered automatically played.  I think you're probably right, and I'm wrong.

"A singleton in dummy... is not considered to be automatically played."

Seems perfectly clear to me. It means that third or fourth seat is not entitled to play to a trick before declarer plays from dummy just because there's only one card declarer legally can play. Or, put it another way, that dummy has a singleton in some suit, and somebody leads that suit, does not mean dummy's card is played. It's not played until declarer actually plays it.

Note: Dummy can't play any card - it's declarer who plays dummy's cards. Dummy (the player) is just declarer's agent in doing that. That's why the law, instead of speaking about dummy "illegally playing a card" or some such, speaks about dummy "placing a card in the played position".

[Cascade]

jtfanclub, on Oct 6 2007, 02:10 AM, said:

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Dummy auto-playing a singleton at trick one. I don't make remarks about this.

Technically, a singleton from dummy can be 'considered played', so dummy can do this.

According to what source?

[pclayton]

Variations of tempo and taking advantage of it by far.

My personal pet peeve is asking questions about calls in in the middle of an auction when the questioner has no intent on taking a call. I saw this recently at a club game and the question occurred in a non-competitve auction at the five (!) level. This is done under the auspices of 'its my turn and I can ask anything I want to'. Never mind that his partner would be making the opening lead in about 30 seconds. The director was called and handled it like this: the player on opening was told to leave the table and the guy could ask us anything he wanted. Probably not the proper ruling, but it was a practical solution for a director that didnt know how to handle it and not piss off his regulars.

[barmar]

awm, on Oct 5 2007, 02:53 PM, said:

Failure to deliver the delayed alert "we have had an ace-asking sequence" (not that there's likely to be damage from this failure). I have also seen this many times at national tournaments.

That delayed alert hasn't been required in ACBL-land for a while, although I've run into a number of pairs who continue to make it. Now the rule is that you have to make a delayed alert if there has been an unusual form of ace-asking auction, e.g. Minorwood. But common forms of Blackwood, including both 1430 and 3014 varieties of Roman Key Card, don't require it.

[sceptic]

not alerting Pshcyes