Does this promise stopper?
#1
Posted 2007-August-15, 02:42
1♦-1♥-1♠-2NT
Does the 2NT bid promise a ♣stop? If not, why?
#2
Posted 2007-August-15, 03:11
This hand for instance:
♠ Q74
♥ AJ975
♦ KJ
♣ 862
1♦ - 1♥
1♠ - ??
Now you wish that 2♣ is no more than a one round force. If GF there is no descriptive call available, so one needs to improvise. I can't even say what I would choose at the table.
Roland
#3
Posted 2007-August-15, 03:13
Also particularly playing the style that many of the more enlightened bidders here play, opener has shown 5+D and 4S. You would be pretty silly to suggest a NT contract without a C stopper.
#4
Posted 2007-August-15, 04:40
#5
Posted 2007-August-15, 04:50
#6
Posted 2007-August-15, 09:10
If you don't bid 2NT with that, would Qxx Axxxx Ax Jxx do it for you?
- hrothgar
#7
Posted 2007-August-15, 09:15
Hannie, on Aug 15 2007, 10:10 AM, said:
2♠, unfortunately. If partner passes, I'm happy. If he doesn't, well, it may not turn out well. Luckily, partner has lots of forcing moves to make rather than blasting to 4 spades.
#8
Posted 2007-August-15, 10:30
Hannie, on Aug 15 2007, 10:10 AM, said:
If you don't bid 2NT with that, would Qxx Axxxx Ax Jxx do it for you?
Definitely not the first, although it admittedly has no bid. I really think 3♠ is not bad, our hand is very suit oriented and I don't see why 4♠ won't play well.
The second hand I would probably choose 2NT as the least of evils.
(Just now seeing the previous post) isn't 2♠ a massive underbid?? I think it's closer to 4 than 2.
#9
Posted 2007-August-15, 10:35
jdonn, on Aug 15 2007, 11:30 AM, said:
Maybe. I guess it depends on how much partner would need to bid 2♠ on this auction, and how much you want to deduct for what appears to be no fit.
I'd never bid 4♠ regardless of count with only 3 card support, since this is almost certainly a 4-3 fit, and I have no compensating shortness in my hand.
#10 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2007-August-15, 12:28
Hannie, on Aug 15 2007, 10:10 AM, said:
If you don't bid 2NT with that, would Qxx Axxxx Ax Jxx do it for you?
I would probably choose 3S on the first and 1N on the second.
Yes, 2N promises a stopper. Don't worry about a hand type that never comes up (I mean it has to be specifically a doubleton diamond too or you could just bid 3D).
#11
Posted 2007-August-15, 13:35
jdonn, on Aug 15 2007, 10:30 AM, said:
Hannie, on Aug 15 2007, 10:10 AM, said:
If you don't bid 2NT with that, would Qxx Axxxx Ax Jxx do it for you?
Definitely not the first, although it admittedly has no bid. I really think 3♠ is not bad, our hand is very suit oriented and I don't see why 4♠ won't play well.
The second hand I would probably choose 2NT as the least of evils.
(Just now seeing the previous post) isn't 2♠ a massive underbid?? I think it's closer to 4 than 2.
Yeah it's a massive underbid but one that could work very well, after the defense starts with three rounds of clubs you pretty much need solid spades and diamonds to make.
#12
Posted 2007-August-15, 13:48
And, I lie a lot.
-P.J. Painter.
#13
Posted 2007-August-15, 16:53
Hannie, on Aug 15 2007, 10:10 PM, said:
If you don't bid 2NT with that, would Qxx Axxxx Ax Jxx do it for you?
Well, its not a gf for me either, but you certainly can't bid 2NT unless you are a masochist. A far too likely scenario is that pd raises to 3 and they cash the first 5 clubs. Anyway, this 5 control hand is pretty much worth a gf in some denomination. This is where something like xyz or better still, transfer checkback is nice.
I would bid 2C failing having any of the above in my "enlightened" bidding arsenal, Hannie.
#14
Posted 2007-August-15, 17:04
Playing the xyz convention I'd rebid 2♣ to invite game. Over partner's 2♦ I'd rebid 2♠, alternatively I could rebid 2♥, but if partner holds a singleton, this would be bad. Over 2♠ partner might rebid 3♥, showing 4-3-5-1 (or 4-3-6-0), and I've got an easy raise to game.
Harald