[the hog]

You hold
J10xxx Kx xx Kxxx

The bidding:

1D (1S) P (P)
X (P)

Do you agree with the first pass?
What do you do now?

[awm]

Depends a little on form of scoring. At MP with opponents vulnerable it's very tempting to pass the double. At other situations I would probably have bid 1NT at first opportunity, and would certainly bid 1NT now having passed.

[jtfanclub]

1NT the first time.

[TimG]

The_Hog, on Jul 12 2007, 09:04 PM, said:

Do you agree with the first pass?
What do you do now?

Yes.

1NT.

[mike777]

The_Hog, on Jul 12 2007, 09:04 PM, said:

You hold
J10xxx Kx xx Kxxx

The bidding:

1D (1S) P (P)
X (P)

Do you agree with the first pass?
What do you do now?

1) no prefer 1nt
2) 1nt now.

[kenrexford]

Pass. I'm playing 1NT at 1♠X anyway, so I'd rather take +100 than +90. On a good day, we score up +300, +500, or even +800. On a bad day, we give up -160. Such is life.

[Foxx]

I can live with the first pass, if I were planning to pass a reopening double later. But I think my spades are far too weak. I would have bid 1NT.

On this round, I'll remove the double to 1NT, but not happily. We could easily belong in clubs.

[P_Marlowe]

#1 No, I would have bid 1NT
#2 Having decided to pass, I pass now as well,
since I think that was my plan, passing the
round before, and nothing tells me, that I
should reconsider

With kind regards
Marlowe

[sceptic]

I would bid 1NT so the second option is not there for me

[ochinko]

It depends on the vulns and the scoring, but all in all I agree with the first pass, and now I am going to pass again except in unfavorable when a game on our side could bring more.

[gwnn]

IF I passed the first time, I have to pass 2nd time also I think. But 1NT on the first round sounds much better. Yes it's a slight overbid (it should be some sort of 8-10.5), but still the closest bid to the reality.

[helene_t]

If I pass I deserve to be degraded to the 4th division, right?

Normal action is 1NT either at first oportunity or now, somewhat depending on 1NT range. If p will raise 1NT with a balanced (15)-16 I need a slightly better hand for a 1NT freebid. I could be tempted to pass under some circumstances.

[the hog]

helene_t, on Jul 13 2007, 03:10 PM, said:

If I pass I deserve to be degraded to the 4th division, right?
snipped

No, I didn't say that Helene.

[helene_t]

The_Hog, on Jul 13 2007, 11:10 AM, said:

helene_t, on Jul 13 2007, 03:10 PM, said:

If I pass I deserve to be degraded to the 4th division, right?
snipped

No, I didn't say that Helene.

Sr should have added a smiley

Anyway, this time I don't have support for p's suit, that makes passing more attractive.

BTW last time I played competition I was in 2nd class, since there is a class between the first class and the second division you could call it 5th division.

[Codo]

If a direct 1 NT had shown around 8 HCPS, i agree, else I had bid 1 NT.
If I had to pass first, 1 NT now should show my hand and I would bid it.

[pbleighton]

I would have bid 1N the first time, now I pass.

Peter

[ArtK78]

1NT the first time is right on values and strength.

My spades are not even close to good enough to pass the double the second time. If I did pass 1NT the first time (presumably because I believed, incorrectly, that 1NT would be an overbid) then I bid 1NT now.

Passing the double of 1S could be the winning action, but it does not rate to be. On a bad day, partner is void in spades, and you are, essentially, declaring 1Sx with a trump holding of JTxxx opposite void. Not my choice.

[ochinko]

ArtK78, on Jul 13 2007, 05:10 PM, said:

1NT the first time is right on values and strength.

My spades are not even close to good enough to pass the double the second time. If I did pass 1NT the first time (presumably because I believed, incorrectly, that 1NT would be an overbid) then I bid 1NT now.

Passing the double of 1S could be the winning action, but it does not rate to be. On a bad day, partner is void in spades, and you are, essentially, declaring 1Sx with a trump holding of JTxxx opposite void. Not my choice.

I believe that every double is theoretically passable, and every double should be passed when it looks like the best decision.

If partner couldn't tolerate another pass from me, he would bid 2♠ on the second round instead of doubling.

[jtfanclub]

ArtK78, on Jul 13 2007, 09:10 AM, said:

Passing the double of 1S could be the winning action, but it does not rate to be. On a bad day, partner is void in spades, and you are, essentially, declaring 1Sx with a trump holding of JTxxx opposite void. Not my choice.

The funny thing is, in Precision, we get much weaker hands all the time, stuff like

JTxxx Qxx x Jxxx

When partner opens 1 club (16+), and the next call is 1 spade, it gets two passes, doubled (which doesn't show much more than 13 cards and no long suit outside of spades), we then convert to penalty.

Now we have a stronger hand, and we know a little more about partner's hand. Assuming the X by opener shows 16+ (which is what I'm used to), if I'd leave it in for penalty with a 4 count, why wouldn't I with an 8 count?

The logic is, with a 4 count, we don't have game without a fit, and it doesn't look like we have a fit. They don't have a fit either, except in the unlikely case that partner has a void. So if we can make 2, they're going down. And if we can't, well, why bid it?

The only problem with that logic is, in this case, we're strong enough that we might have game. But 1 doubled might be good enough anyways.

[pclayton]

1N the 1st time. Conditions don't matter much to me.

If I pass the 1st time, I'd pass the 2nd time, because thats the only call that makes sense in context, after I shose to pass first.

Maybe I'll understand in 20 years why this is wrong