BBO Discussion Forums: 3nt lead - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

3nt lead

#1 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2007-July-10, 04:42

BBO indy, MP, all red.

you deal and pass and opps bid:

1♠-1NT
2NT-3NT

what would you lead from

94
632
Q9832
762

?
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#2 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

  • Limit bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,482
  • Joined: 2004-November-02
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:England
  • Interests:Bridge, classical music, skiing... but I spend more time earning a living than doing any of those

Posted 2007-July-10, 06:09

4th highest of my longest and strongest
0

#3 User is offline   helene_t 

  • The Abbess
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,401
  • Joined: 2004-April-22
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Odense, Denmark
  • Interests:History, languages

Posted 2007-July-10, 06:26

A passive lead. Not sure which but not a diamond.
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
0

#4 Guest_Jlall_*

  • Group: Guests

Posted 2007-July-10, 06:43

No offense to anyone but I consider not leading a diamond to be horrible.
0

#5 User is offline   Free 

  • mmm Duvel
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-July-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium
  • Interests:Duvel, Whisky

Posted 2007-July-10, 06:59

♦ seems useless imo, so I lead a ♥.
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
0

#6 User is offline   kenrexford 

  • Brain Farts and Actual Farts Increasing with Age
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,586
  • Joined: 2005-September-21
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lima, Allen County, North-West-Central Ohio, USA
  • Interests:www.limadbc.blogspot.com editor/contributor

Posted 2007-July-10, 07:01

I don't think that Opener has denied Ax, Kx, or even Jxx in diamonds.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."

-P.J. Painter.
0

#7 User is offline   Walddk 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,190
  • Joined: 2003-September-30
  • Location:London, England
  • Interests:Cricket

Posted 2007-July-10, 07:03

FrancesHinden, on Jul 10 2007, 02:09 PM, said:

4th highest of my longest and strongest

I disagree strongly. I would lead my 5th best diamond ;)

Roland
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice
0

#8 User is offline   han 

  • Under bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,797
  • Joined: 2004-July-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Posted 2007-July-10, 07:55

All the Dutch seem to be leading 3/5 against NT too. I'm showing my American bridge roots and lead my fourth.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
0

#9 User is offline   Gerben42 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,577
  • Joined: 2005-March-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Erlangen, Germany
  • Interests:Astronomy, Mathematics
    Nuclear power

Posted 2007-July-10, 08:26

I'm torn between leading my 4th and 5th ♦. Who is my partner?
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do!
My Bridge Systems Page

BC Kultcamp Rieneck
0

#10 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

  • Limit bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,482
  • Joined: 2004-November-02
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:England
  • Interests:Bridge, classical music, skiing... but I spend more time earning a living than doing any of those

Posted 2007-July-10, 09:20

Walddk, on Jul 10 2007, 02:03 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Jul 10 2007, 02:09 PM, said:

4th highest of my longest and strongest

I disagree strongly. I would lead my 5th best diamond :D

Roland

OK, in one partnership I would lead my lowest diamond as we play attitude leads.

Let me rephrase:

Systemic low diamond
0

#11 User is offline   bid_em_up 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,351
  • Joined: 2006-March-21
  • Location:North Carolina

Posted 2007-July-10, 09:45

I think a diamond is the worst possible lead you can make, for several reasons.

Even if you establish the suit, you have no entry to cash it.
Partner is marked for some HCP on the auction, we should try to find his suit.
If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here. :D

My gut feeling is to lead a club, even given the fact that a diamond looks "normal".

jmoo.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
0

#12 User is offline   jtfanclub 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,937
  • Joined: 2004-June-05

Posted 2007-July-10, 10:11

If I had a singleton heart, since both opponents have denied hearts, I would happily lead them.
If I had a doubleton heart, I would probably lead them. Partner might still have 5.
With three hearts...well, looks like they'll be split around. Not much point.
Leading clubs seems like the most likely lead to be disasterous. Responder could easily have an 8 count and a club suit on the auction.
Leading spades is right out.

That leaves, um, whatever that other suit is. If nothing else, it tells partner (who it seems likely has a full opener) that there's one suit he doesn't need to protect.
0

#13 User is offline   TimG 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,972
  • Joined: 2004-July-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Maine, USA

Posted 2007-July-10, 10:12

bid_em_up, on Jul 10 2007, 10:45 AM, said:

If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here. :D

Maybe someone thought it was obvious not to lead a diamond and a disagreement ensued.
0

#14 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

  • Limit bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,482
  • Joined: 2004-November-02
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:England
  • Interests:Bridge, classical music, skiing... but I spend more time earning a living than doing any of those

Posted 2007-July-10, 11:37

Jlall, on Jul 10 2007, 01:43 PM, said:

No offense to anyone but I consider not leading a diamond to be horrible.

I'm a strong believer in leading my best suit on this sort of auction, whether or not I've got all the high cards.

Obviously it's not always right, but I've gained a surprising number of game swings in when the layout is something resembling this:

AKJxx
Kxx
Ax
Qxx

Qx
QJxx
Jxx
AJxx,

never mind this:

AKxxx
Ax
xxx
AQx

Qx
Kxxx
Jx
KJxxx
0

#15 User is offline   pclayton 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,151
  • Joined: 2003-June-11
  • Location:Southern California

Posted 2007-July-10, 11:55

bid_em_up, on Jul 10 2007, 07:45 AM, said:

I think a diamond is the worst possible lead you can make, for several reasons.


Wow - not a lot of ambivalence :D

Pard didn't overcall over 1♣ with a fair amount of strength, so pard appears to not have a 5 card major. A diamond is pretty obvious. Pard can still have length in diamonds, or we may catch an Ax.

[
"Phil" on BBO
0

#16 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2007-July-10, 12:11

bid_em_up, on Jul 10 2007, 10:45 AM, said:

If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here. :D

That is the only objection to a diamond lead that makes any sense at all :( a diamond is the only lead that isn't ridiculous.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#17 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2007-July-10, 12:26

pclayton, on Jul 10 2007, 05:55 PM, said:

bid_em_up, on Jul 10 2007, 07:45 AM, said:

I think a diamond is the worst possible lead you can make, for several reasons.


Wow - not a lot of ambivalence B)

Pard didn't overcall over 1♣ with a fair amount of strength, so pard appears to not have a 5 card major. A diamond is pretty obvious. Pard can still have length in diamonds, or we may catch an Ax.

[

You saw the bidding wrong.


I always lead my longest suit in here. There is a good point for leading the incorrect card from a 5 card suit when you have no entries (specially at MP)
BridgeGod: my personal website with interactive problems and articles
0

#18 User is offline   Trumpace 

  • Hideous Rabbit
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,040
  • Joined: 2005-January-22
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2007-July-10, 12:44

FrancesHinden, on Jul 10 2007, 12:37 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jul 10 2007, 01:43 PM, said:

No offense to anyone but I consider not leading a diamond to be horrible.

I'm a strong believer in leading my best suit on this sort of auction, whether or not I've got all the high cards.

Obviously it's not always right, but I've gained a surprising number of game swings in when the layout is something resembling this:

<snip>

But, isn't this a matchpoint lead problem? How does previous experience in game swings justify it here?

(I am not saying diamond is incorrect, just being nitpicky B) )
0

#19 User is offline   ochinko 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 647
  • Joined: 2004-May-27
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Cooking

Posted 2007-July-10, 13:59

bid_em_up, on Jul 10 2007, 06:45 PM, said:

I think a diamond is the worst possible lead you can make, for several reasons.

Even if you establish the suit, you have no entry to cash it.
Partner is marked for some HCP on the auction, we should try to find his suit.
If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here.  B)

My gut feeling is to lead a club, even given the fact that a diamond looks "normal".

jmoo.

Did you see that the scoring was MP? Even if ♦ isn't the setting lead, which I agree is quite possible given that you have no outside entries, it is still the safest lead.

If a diamond is not right, yet you lead it, you'll still get around 50% as that is what I expect most defenders will lead.

If you lead another suit, and it's not right, you'll be closer to 0%, as you'll be a lonely swimmer against the current.

I would give some thought to my highest heart at IMPs, but here I prefer to be lazy/cautious.
0

#20 User is offline   bid_em_up 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,351
  • Joined: 2006-March-21
  • Location:North Carolina

Posted 2007-July-10, 15:11

What part of this:

If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here. B)

is everyone failing to understand?!?!

I will lead a club, only because a diamond is so clearly right, that the only reason the question is even posted here is that somebody led a diamond, it turned out to be wrong, and some other lead was "right".

At least that was my take on it, anyway.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
0
  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users