[Fluffy]

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AQ98
AKQ982
K72


MP, Nobody is vul, you are dealer


1♦-(ps)-1♠-(2♣)
2♥-(ps)-5♥-(ps)
???

[the hog]

5H has 2 possible meanings depending on partnership agreement. - Bid 6 if your H are good, bid 6 if you have a C control. Looking at my hand, I believe the meaning in this partnership is the former. I have both. Is my hand too good for a simple 6H? Probably. I bid 6D to show a fine D suit in addition to my slam acceptance. Pd may decide that that is sufficient for the grand.

[foo]

I like The Hog's thinking here.

[pclayton]

I can't construct a hand that is looking for good trump here, however, something like AKxxx, AQxx, xx, xx seems very lreasonable with pard's bidding.

If I trust pard I'll try 6N. 6N also stops a club ruff if clubs are 7-1 or 6-1.

[the hog]

pclayton, on Jul 1 2007, 09:30 AM, said:

I can't construct a hand that is looking for good trump here, however, something like AKxxx, AQxx, xx, xx seems very lreasonable with pard's bidding.

If I trust pard I'll try 6N. 6N also stops a club ruff if clubs are 7-1 or 6-1.

Uh Phil, as you have the AQxx of H, pd can't have them as well. I think you must have misread this problem.

[P_Marlowe]

6H, if it is wrong, it is partners fault,
he could have gone slower, e.g. 3H
is certainly forcing.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[helene_t]

6♥ is enough for me, I only have second-round club control.

[han]

I have significant extras, good trumps and a club control. I'm certainly bidding 6.

I picture partner with 5-5 in the majors, something like AKxxx Kxxxx x xx.

[skjaeran]

I'd be expecting partner to hold something like AKxxxx KJxxx V xx. I've got good trumps and a ♣ control, so I'll raise to 6♥.

If partner held a ♣ void, he'd made a splinter bid, and with no void he could just BW. My hand indicates that he 5♥ is not just asking for a ♣ control (a method I guess not a single norwegian play).

[han]

Would 3H by partner be forcing?

[helene_t]

Hannie, on Jul 1 2007, 01:18 PM, said:

Would 3H by partner be forcing?

Why not? In a non-interfered reverse sequence it would (at least that's how most play it). It could be different here if the lower range of 2♥ is slightly lower than normal, but I would assume the follow-ups to be the same.

[FrancesHinden]

I would expect that I could pass 3H from partner.

On this hand I would bid 6D. I don't know what 5H meant, but whatever it meant I've got it, and I've also got a very good diamond suit.

[P_Marlowe]

Hannie, on Jul 1 2007, 06:18 AM, said:

Would 3H by partner be forcing?

It may or may nor be, I assumed it would,
most likely 2NT has the same meaning as
it would have without the 2C overcall, but
this is certainly a partnership agreement.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[cherdano]

If 5H asked for a club control then IMO systemically we can't bid 6D, as it should suggest grand slam interest and thus a 1st round club control.
Still 5H is weird as partner obviously has more worries than just the club control.

[whereagles]

Bidding 6 here, and I don't care if we could have 7. If 7 makes, I'll yell at pard for making silly jumps like that

[pclayton]

The_Hog, on Jun 30 2007, 06:57 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jul 1 2007, 09:30 AM, said:

I can't construct a hand that is looking for good trump here, however, something like AKxxx, AQxx, xx, xx seems very lreasonable with pard's bidding.

If I trust pard I'll try 6N. 6N also stops a club ruff if clubs are 7-1 or 6-1.

Uh Phil, as you have the AQxx of H, pd can't have them as well. I think you must have misread this problem.

No Ron, I didn't misread the problem. Are you telling me that you think pard holds something like: AKxxx, JTxxx, void, Axx? For me, this is a 3♣ call followed by 5♥.

Hands like: AKxxx, JTxx, x, Axx also start with some sort of forcing heart call (3♥ hopefully).

I suppose it is possible pard is looking for trump here. Sure he can't have AQ, but he could have K-J.

[skjaeran]

3♥ would clearly be forcing IMO, I've never played a raise of a reverse as NF.

[neilkaz]

whereagles, on Jul 1 2007, 09:30 AM, said:

Bidding 6 here, and I don't care if we could have 7. If 7 makes, I'll yell at pard for making silly jumps like that

We agree, and I have serious doubts about PD having the needed 1st round ♣ control for a grand.

The jump to 5♥ should have a very specific meaning. Once again I continue to stress to my PD's to keep the bididng low (if possible) when we have good hands and clearly the balance of strength !

.. neilkaz ..(who hates jumps to 5M anyhow)

[Fluffy]

5♥ asked for club control, I was 95% sure , maybe should had noted :/.

[Fluffy]

skaeran, on Jul 1 2007, 11:10 AM, said:

I'd be expecting partner to hold something like AKxxxx KJxxx V xx. I've got good trumps and a ♣ control, so I'll raise to 6♥.

I expected exactly this hand, didn't you consider 6NT then?, maybe you have only 11 tricks, but maybe they ruff a club as well.....