[Fluffy]

I had a similar hand before, opener had opened with a 6-6-6 (6 spades, 6 clubs, 6 hcp), and we had slam.

Daddy said 3♦ was positive because lebensohl applied, but that option didn't cross my mind at all.


Depends on agreements, but if lebenshol is an option I wanna try 3♠

[Codo]

If Lebensohl does not apply I will be a real man and make the macho bid of pass.
And I believe you must be kind of macho to pass with this hand. Or was it a maso? I always mix these up...

Macho and Maso are not part of my english dictionary, so hopefully these expresions are universal.

[foo]

Jlall, on Jun 21 2007, 01:47 AM, said:

foo, on Jun 21 2007, 01:43 AM, said:

What I don't like are my current choices opposite a pd who could have no more than 40-12-23= 4 HCP.

you sure about that?

Well, since
♠Ax♥AQ87♦KQJ9♣AQJ is 23 HCP
and Opener's minimum is usually 11-12 for this sequence that leaves only 4-5 HCP at most for pd.

Unless...

Justin, are you implying that Opener psyched?

They are @ Favorable. Give Opener 6+S and say, a Weak Two that they've decided to mess with Our head with by bidding it via the slow route, and We will have a b*tch of a time fielding this w/o specialized agreements.
(Which most pairs tend not to play anymore. Psyches being considerably rarer than they used to be.)

...and Fluffy, 3♦ is not that forward going. I've told pd to bid 2x in this auction while promising 4 ♥'s and appropriate values. My 2nd X doesn't have to be this good, but it darn sure is not a 7 loser =1444 minimum.
...and all pd could do was dredge up a minimum response.

[cherdano]

foo is great

[FrancesHinden]

We were told up front that 2NT was undiscussed.

Obviously if 2NT would have been lebensohl, as it is in my regular partnerships, we would not pass. If I do decide to bid on, I would bid 3NT not 3S. I have already expressed doubt about playing in NT by doubling twice, rather than bidding NT on either round, and if 3NT is making at all, it's far more likely to be making with us as declarer - just give partner J10x, Qx or even Jxx in spades (J10 doubleton might do it if opener doesn't have the 9 of spades). We must also have some type of diamond support for 3NT because we haven't bid our own suit, though admittedly probably only 3, not KQJx

In short, I think it close between pass and 3NT. I wouldn't bid 3S.

[skjaeran]

FrancesHinden, on Jun 21 2007, 03:54 PM, said:

We were told up front that 2NT was undiscussed.

Obviously if 2NT would have been lebensohl, as it is in my regular partnerships, we would not pass. If I do decide to bid on, I would bid 3NT not 3S. I have already expressed doubt about playing in NT by doubling twice, rather than bidding NT on either round, and if 3NT is making at all, it's far more likely to be making with us as declarer - just give partner J10x, Qx or even Jxx in spades (J10 doubleton might do it if opener doesn't have the 9 of spades). We must also have some type of diamond support for 3NT because we haven't bid our own suit, though admittedly probably only 3, not KQJx

In short, I think it close between pass and 3NT. I wouldn't bid 3S.

I agree.

[Edmunte1]

I agree with Frances, 2NT should be played as Scrambling. If we didn't discussed that, pass is normal

[Foxx]

Three notrump. Maybe dummy will have the aforementioned ♠Qx, ♠Jxx, etc. Maybe East will be looking at the spade queen or jack and West, with our help, will talk himself out of a spade lead altogether.

There's something very impotent-feeling about dropping in 3♦ with this hand, although it sure could easily be right.

[whereagles]

I'm gonna pass. Unless pard can produce a rather unlikely Axxxx of diamonds, I don't see how we're gonna make 3NT. And even then...

[Apollo81]

I'd pass, not completely happy with it.

[Fluffy]

was it a trap then?

[han]

A highly entertaining and educational thread. I think pass is probably best.

[jdonn]

Partner had JTx Jxx Axxx xxx lol (and yes, opener had the rest and was still bidding like a moron.) I'm convinced pass is best in the long run, but 3NT is the only winner this time. If partner didn't have the jack of spades we avoided a 28 point game that has no play, and based on skill not luck.