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High level takeout double How much do you need?

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Posted 2007-May-17, 20:15

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(P)-1♠-(4♥)

Presumably this is between pass and double. What spade holding would you need to be worth a double?

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Posted 2007-May-17, 21:03

Wow, none to me. At some point I will simply feel compelled to bid 4♠, I'll say KQx or better. I mean if I thought double showed this then I would do that instead but I am not at all convinced it does, and at some point with a singleton heart you just have to be practical I think
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Posted 2007-May-17, 21:35

AJx but not KQx.
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Posted 2007-May-17, 21:48

MickyB, on May 17 2007, 09:15 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(P)-1♠-(4♥)

Presumably this is between pass and double. What spade holding would you need to be worth a double?

at least ace of spade for starters.
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Posted 2007-May-18, 02:41

KQJ or Axx
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Posted 2007-May-18, 02:58

I don't get this. How can there be a takeout double after three suits were bid naturally?
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Posted 2007-May-18, 03:39

It's not take-out. It's "pard, I got some extras. Pls do something".

I think Axx would be good enough for me.
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Posted 2007-May-18, 03:59

whereagles, on May 18 2007, 12:39 PM, said:

It's not take-out. It's "pard, I got some extras. Pls do something".

I think Axx would be good enough for me.

I don't like the shape then. Would prefer 3=1=5=4 or 3=0=5=5 for such a double.
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Posted 2007-May-18, 05:14

ochinko, on May 18 2007, 09:59 AM, said:

I don't like the shape then.

nobody's perfect :P
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Posted 2007-May-19, 13:47

MickyB, on May 17 2007, 09:15 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(P)-1♠-(4♥)

Presumably this is between pass and double. What spade holding would you need to be worth a double?

Why are we doubling? This looks like our ODR is enormously in favor of playing, not defending.

The 4H preempt greatly increases the odds that GOP has 5+S.

With a 5 loser hand (HHx in S's given the rest of the example hand), 4S is a reasonable shot.

With a 6 loser hand, I'd X.
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Posted 2007-May-19, 23:00

foo, on May 19 2007, 07:47 PM, said:

Why are we doubling? 

Because we don't wanna play 4♥

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This looks like our ODR is enormously in favor of playing, not defending.


Yeah, that's why we double.


I had a similar hand this weekend

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Posted 2007-May-19, 23:34

I think I'd always bid 4♠
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