[MickyB]

Scoring: IMP

(P)-1♣-(1♥)-X
(2♣)-2♠-(P)

1♣ was nat or bal, but now opener has promised an unbal hand. X showed 4+♠, 2♣ was a good raise. If you make a generic game-try of 3♥, pard will jump to 4♠ promising a 4th spade.

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[kenrexford]

It would be nice if Opener would cue his clubs if he has KQJxx, so I can bid 4♥ to isolate the diamond hole, show slam interest, and get cooperation.

[ewj]

It would be pretty cool to have 2NT here as a relay...why is 3[H] a "generic" game try though? I'd have thought 3[H] would set ♠ as trumps...don't you have 2NT/3♣/♦ for game tries?

[whereagles]

The aforementioned generic 3♥, followed by a pass to 4♠. There should be 2 diamond losers or trouble setting up clubs.

[Apollo81]

Try for slam.

[Fluffy]

MickyB, on May 9 2007, 01:10 PM, said:

If you make a generic game-try of 3♥

is 3♠ preemptive?

Even if partner has 4135, we cannot stablish clubs, ruff ♥s and run the clubs, because we lack trumps or entries to dummy.

4♠ looks ok.

[drinbrasil]

MickyB, on May 9 2007, 01:10 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(P)-1♣-(1♥)-X
(2♣)-2♠-(P)

1♣ was nat or bal, but now opener has promised an unbal hand. X showed  4+♠, 2♣ was a good raise. If you make a generic game-try of 3♥, pard will jump to 4♠ promising a 4th spade.

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he can have 3♠ in your system?? Not in mine after 2♣ bid...so i would bid anyway 4♠

[pclayton]

I think I need to catch the magical: ATxx, x, Axx, KQxxx, but this is a 3♠ call for me. I think ATxx, x, Kx, KQxxxx is a 3♠ call as well.

Pard usually has a 7 loser hand. I have a 7 loser hand. We probably don't have slam.

Yet, how can 3♥ hurt? We can signoff over 4♣ and pard can still move if he 'misbid' his hand earlier

[Fluffy]

pclayton, on May 9 2007, 07:05 PM, said:

I think I need to catch the magical: ATxx, x, Axx, KQxxx

Slam isn't ocld on the best hand, opponets have cued and that is probably because fo bad breaks so....

[skjaeran]

I don't think we can make a slam at all here. To make slam a good proposition, we'd need partner to hold a hand too strong for a mere 2♠ rebid.

So I'd just raise to 4♠.

[mikeh]

pclayton, on May 9 2007, 02:05 PM, said:

I think I need to catch the magical: ATxx, x, Axx, KQxxx, but this is a 3♠ call for me. I think ATxx, x, Kx, KQxxxx is a 3♠ call as well.

Pard usually has a 7 loser hand. I have a 7 loser hand. We probably don't have slam.

Yet, how can 3♥ hurt? We can signoff over 4♣ and pard can still move if he 'misbid' his hand earlier

I agree that 3♥ can't hurt... I have too many controls for partner to unilaterally commit to slam even if, as it would be for me, 3♥ is a game force, not a game try.. just what the heck do we need a 'generic' game try for when we have the entire 3 level?

As for partner's magic hand, he sure better not bid 4♠ with it To me, 4♠ shows an ugly game acceptance (given the misuse of 3♥ foisted on us).

[MickyB]

Over 2♠, the bids available were -

2NT natural+forcing
3♣ natural+invitational
3♦ ART setting spades
3♥ undiscussed

So I tried 3♥

Anyways, pard jumped to 4♠, and I got a bit excited and put us into slam. It's a reasonable contract if pard has the ♦9, but it wasn't to be. I agree that I overbid, especially considering that bad breaks are to be expected for the oppos strong bidding on few HCP.