[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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1H-(1S)-3C-(3S)
???
1H: 5+card H
3C: 4(+) card H and 7-9(10) HCP
- Suppose that you agreed that 4C shows Clubs..Do you prefer to bid 4H or 4C now?
- Suppose that you agreed that 4C shows 5card Clubs and some slem interest..Do you prefer to bid 4H or 4C now?
- I wonder if you want to give opps half a round of extra bidding by bidding 4C iso 4H?

[pclayton]

What do the opponents gain by bidding over 4♣. 4♦? 4♥? Both seem meaningless.

OTOH, pard will be able to participate in the decision over the inevitable 4♠ after my 4♣.

[mr1303]

4C, which hopefully says "do the right thing over opps 4S"

[Free]

4♣

[MFA]

4♣ is NOT a slam try in these situations. Much more important to make the right competitive decisions than to go for the unlikely slam.

So, 4♣ :-)

[whereagles]

4♣, definitely. Though I doubt pard will do the right thing over 4♠ (hard to evaluate a weakish hand)

[jdonn]

4♣ is what I want to bid, but obviously I can't if I have agreed it shows slam interest, then I am stuck with 4♥. I am not worried about the extra room given to the opponents since they can still bid their suit on the same level, I am a little more worried about telling them their diamond values are useful but not that worried.

[Apollo81]

The opps are bidding 4♠ for almost sure, so you'd better bid 4♣ so someone can make an intelligent 5 over 4 decision.

If 4♣ shows a slam try then bid 4♥ and remember to change your methods after the deal is over.

[skjaeran]

jdonn, on Apr 19 2007, 05:29 PM, said:

4♣ is what I want to bid, but obviously I can't if I have agreed it shows slam interest, then I am stuck with 4♥. I am not worried about the extra room given to the opponents since they can still bid their suit on the same level, I am a little more worried about telling them their diamond values are useful but not that worried.

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The opps are bidding 4♠ for almost sure, so you'd better bid 4♣ so someone can make an intelligent 5 over 4 decision.

If 4♣ shows a slam try then bid 4♥ and remember to change your methods after the deal is over.

Agree 100%.

[mikeh]

skaeran, on Apr 19 2007, 01:13 PM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 19 2007, 05:29 PM, said:

4♣ is what I want to bid, but obviously I can't if I have agreed it shows slam interest, then I am stuck with 4♥. I am not worried about the extra room given to the opponents since they can still bid their suit on the same level, I am a little more worried about telling them their diamond values are useful but not that worried.

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The opps are bidding 4♠ for almost sure, so you'd better bid 4♣ so someone can make an intelligent 5 over 4 decision.

If 4♣ shows a slam try then bid 4♥ and remember to change your methods after the deal is over.

Agree 100%.

agreed

[kgr]

Thanks all.
I did bid 4H, LHO 4S and partner Doubled.
4Sx-1 while 5H would make.
Another bad score... seems like they are intersting to learn something.
Next time I'll bid 4C and it will be a second suit and/or lead directing inviting to save over 4S.

[whereagles]

I think you could have bid 4♣ even if it were a slam try... even if pard plays you for a better hand, your playing strength is adequate and, more important, we will tend to make a better decision over 4♠ (even if it's an overbid).

[pclayton]

There was a time that I would have taken 4C as a slam try. Now the modern treatment seems to be a 2nd suit to help pard judge the auction. I have had situations like this come up several times in the last year and Ive been glad Ive made the call and regretted the times Ive didnt.

Not once have I advertised the side suit and had to deal with the opponents gauging the auction better becuase of this knowledge.