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Hi all !
When auctions goes :
1♦ P 1♥ P
1♠ P 1NT P
2♣
Does the 4th suit forcing applies or not ?
Thank you.
ruotal
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4th suit forcing
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Posted 2007-January-09, 11:20
No.
It would apply in this sequence:
1♦ P 1♥ P
1♠ P 2♣
But not in the one you list.
Opener is describing a 4-1-4-4 (or 4-0-5-4) hand that is minimum in the auction given.
It would apply in this sequence:
1♦ P 1♥ P
1♠ P 2♣
But not in the one you list.
Opener is describing a 4-1-4-4 (or 4-0-5-4) hand that is minimum in the auction given.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2007-January-09, 11:24
No: 4th suit forcing is best viewed as a tool for responder, not opener. In the auction described, opener is typically 4=0=5=4 or 4=1=4=4. He 'knows' that he has at least a partial, and usually a fairly good, fit in one of the minors, unless responder is 3433 or 3523, and he doesn't want to play 1N.... he is usually WEAK, not strong.
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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:00
Opener is limited due to the lack of a jump shift. Responder is limited to about 10 with 1N. Others will say that 1♠ is a one round force. While this is a reasonable approach, its hardly mainstream.
Accordingly, opener can't 'force' to game, unless opener just bids it.
As others have said, 2♣ is descriptive, and shows a 4=1=4=4 (if you open 1♦ with 4-4), 4=0=5=4 or some 4=1=5=3's. Some would say 4=0=4=5's but this isn't correct, since we have an easy rebid after a 1♣ opening (most of the time
).
Accordingly, opener can't 'force' to game, unless opener just bids it.
As others have said, 2♣ is descriptive, and shows a 4=1=4=4 (if you open 1♦ with 4-4), 4=0=5=4 or some 4=1=5=3's. Some would say 4=0=4=5's but this isn't correct, since we have an easy rebid after a 1♣ opening (most of the time
).
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