Fascism in Washington D.C? A boost to conspiracy theorists.
#1
Posted 2006-September-08, 17:31
#2
Posted 2006-September-08, 18:16
#3
Posted 2006-September-08, 19:30
Sure, but given the Bay of Pigs, the missile crisis, etc., this one seems like more than a passing fantasy.
Peter
#4
Posted 2006-September-08, 19:32
This shows beyond doubt that in 1962 there were those in powerful positions who sincerely believed that "the ends justify the means", and if a war was desired they would go to any extreme to justify that war.
To think that human nature has changed since 1962 is naive - the very concept of the Joint Chiefs of Staff presenting this atrocity as a viable plan of action lends credebility to the motives argued by those who believe 9-11 was another Reichstag fire. Human nature does not change. History does repeat itself.
The fact that it was turned down by Macnamara and Kennedy only adds another Hmmm to the reasons behind Kennedy's assassination, and makes one wonder again about Eisenhower's admonition to guard against the military industrial complex.
But I guess Ike was a conspiracy nut, too.
#5
Posted 2006-September-08, 20:35
2) Kennedy and McNamara did not fire them for presenting such a plan, in fact they thought about it.....
3) Americans elected both of these guys.......
4) Heck Hitler was elected and many loved Franco....so....
#6
Posted 2006-September-09, 10:48
mike777, on Sep 8 2006, 09:35 PM, said:
2) Kennedy and McNamara did not fire them for presenting such a plan, in fact they thought about it.....
3) Americans elected both of these guys.......
4) Heck Hitler was elected and many loved Franco....so....
Frightening, too.
I've also considered how difficult it is to keep secrets, and often thought it impossible to keep secret such things as government conspiracies due to how many must be involved. Yet here is proof that a genuine conspiracy created by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by the Joing Chiefs of Staff, and delivered by the Joint Chiefs of Staff for acceptance to Robert McNamara went totally undiscovered and unknown for 40 years. Although it is true this plan was not put into action, had it been would the outcome been different? Would the lid on the cover have been blown off?
I now believe it doubtful. The only way such corruption is uncovered is by either meaningful Congressional investigation (a la Watergate) or by intense journalistic inquiry (again, a la Watergate). A single whistleblower has almost zero chance of being heard, mainly because of the spin machine cranking out torrential amounts of adverse stories questioning the reliability and voracity of the whistleblower. Even a handful of whistleblowers without hard evidence is easily brushed aside by the spin machine.
There's question in and of itself - when did "spin" originate as a viable form of communication. When I was growing up it was called lying.
#7
Posted 2006-September-09, 12:08
#8
Posted 2006-September-10, 08:42
#9
Posted 2006-September-10, 09:36
I think that there is a real danger that the expression Fascism is being diluted into a generic strawman used to describe bad people similar to the way that "Liberal" is now used to demonize anyone to the left of Barry Goldwater or - for that matter - Kleneex now descibes any one of a number of generic tissues.
I think that the epxression islamo-fascism is a pretty poor description of militant wahabbism. I think that describing this incident as fascism in DC is equally inaccurate.
#10
Posted 2006-September-10, 19:31
hrothgar, on Sep 10 2006, 10:36 AM, said:
I think that there is a real danger that the expression Fascism is being diluted into a generic strawman used to describe bad people similar to the way that "Liberal" is now used to demonize anyone to the left of Barry Goldwater or - for that matter - Kleneex now descibes any one of a number of generic tissues.
I think that the epxression islamo-fascism is a pretty poor description of militant wahabbism. I think that describing this incident as fascism in DC is equally inaccurate.
I defer to your better education. Could you give me a better word description.
#11
Posted 2006-September-10, 19:52
#12
Posted 2006-September-10, 21:24
mike777, on Sep 8 2006, 07:16 PM, said:
In the late 1920's in one of the annual U.S. fleet war games the 'enemy' was the British navy. At the time it was the only navy with the strength to provide a challange.
#13
Posted 2006-September-11, 02:01
Winstonm, on Sep 11 2006, 01:52 AM, said:
But surely they would choose the smallest target which would give them the excuses they need.
Why attack both towers and the pentagon and one other target when one attack would do?
The attack on the pentagon was totally unnecessary from this conspiracy theory point of view. The 4th plane which crashed (or was shot down!) was also unnnecessary.
Just because the US apparently contemplated this sort of thing in the past, doesn't mean that any attack of any sort is the the way they would go about it.
#14
Posted 2006-September-11, 08:19