[000002]

A few days ago, i met this(as below)with my bridge student:

1♦=1♥=dbl=pass
2♣=2♥=pas=pass
2nt

what is it?

thanks
000002

[pigpenz]

i would agree with Justin partner definitely wants you to pick one

[Robert]

hello everyone

A 3C rebid would show 5-5 minors. The 2NT bid 'shows' 6D and 4C and still lets partner choose which minor to play.

If the other pair bids (1S)-2m-(2S)-p-p-? when you overcall in a minor, you can bid 2NT to suggest four hearts plus 5+ of your minor. If you only held the minors, you would bid 3Cs and let partner 'pick' a suit.

Regards,
Robert

[Kalvan14]

Robert, on Nov 7 2005, 11:06 PM, said:

hello everyone

A 3C rebid would show 5-5 minors. The 2NT bid 'shows' 6D and 4C and still lets partner choose which minor to play.

If the other pair bids (1S)-2m-(2S)-p-p-? when you overcall in a minor, you can bid 2NT to suggest four hearts plus 5+ of your minor. If you only held the minors, you would bid 3Cs and let partner 'pick' a suit.

Regards,
Robert

2N is certainly 6♦ and 4♣.

I disagree with the other example, though: (1S)-2m-(2S)-P-(P)-?
Now, X is m+H; 2N is m+om. when m is significantly better than om, this sequence applies even when m=♦. 3♣ would mean 5-4 or 5-5; 2N again 6-4

[Fluffy]

6-4

[Al_U_Card]

Would DBL instead of 2NT show a S tolerance (3-1-5-4) and be penalty oriented?

[han]

With 3-1-5-4 I would just bid 2S (unless double denied spades).

[000002]

HOW to show 5D+4c ?
did you open 1C with 5c+4d & 11-13HCP?

what 3D rebid?7cards ♦?

[Kalvan14]

000002, on Nov 8 2005, 10:01 PM, said:

HOW to show 5D+4c ?
did you open 1C with 5c+4d & 11-13HCP?

what 3D rebid?7cards ♦?

The only reason to want to compete with a 5-4 is a lot of strength (19?); your pard has never shown a sign of life.
I would re-open with a double, in such a case.

With 5♣ and 4♦ i would open 1♦ with all hand weaker than reverse.

3♦ should be 6 strong diamonds.
With 7 diamonds i would not have re-bid 2♣

[000002]

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ JT ♥ xx ♦ KQJx ♣ KQJxx

WOULD you to compete?

regards

[cherdano]

000002, on Nov 9 2005, 10:03 AM, said:

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ JT ♥ xx ♦ KQJx ♣ KQJxx

WOULD you to compete?

regards

No, because I can never expect partner to chose the right minor. Note how much better this hand works if you start with 1♣: You can bid 2♦ over the double, and you are done.

Arend

[Kalvan14]

never

[Fluffy]

I might bid 3♣ with that hand

Also I might open 1♣

[Robert]

Hello Kalvan 14

What do you do with a strong 1345 or 1354 if
(1S)-2m-(2S)-p-p-X=hearts and the minor? I play that as 1336 1354 1345
or 1363 My normal style would be to just double 1S with 13 majors and 54 minors.
If you promise 4 hearts to double 1S, you have to overcall a 5m or pass.

With 1435 or 1453 why didn't you just double one spade 'if' you have the values to compete at the three level?

Squire(bright green cover) book and others suggest using 2NT to show the odd suit.

Do you really bid (1S)-2D-(2S)-p-p-3C on a 5D-4C hand? A new 4 card minor suit at the three level and partner has never even 'hinted' at values or a fit?

Regards,
Robert

[000002]

THANKS for your advice

The another important associated question:

1♦===1♥===dbl===pass
2♣===2♥===pas===pass
dbl?

Is it an intense suggestion for penalty ?

[helene_t]

No. I think it could be any shape with 5/4 or 4/5 in the minors. Just showing extras and no other bid available.

[dcvetkov]

Dbl would show a strong hand with some spade tolerance, probably 3-1-5-4, but partner can choose to pass with strong trumps and no safe contract to go or maybe bid 3NT.

I would agree that 2nT is for takout and asks partner to choose from 6-4, but I think it needs prior agreement

[Kalvan14]

Robert, on Nov 10 2005, 12:32 AM, said:

Hello Kalvan 14

What do you do with a strong 1345 or 1354 if
(1S)-2m-(2S)-p-p-X=hearts and the minor?  I play that as 1336  1354  1345
or 1363  My normal style would be to just double 1S with 13 majors and 54 minors.
If you promise 4 hearts to double 1S, you have to overcall a 5m or pass.

With 1435 or 1453 why didn't you just double one spade 'if' you have the values to compete at the three level?

Squire(bright green cover) book and others suggest using 2NT to show the odd suit. 

Do you really bid (1S)-2D-(2S)-p-p-3C on a 5D-4C hand?  A new 4 card minor suit at the three level and partner has never even 'hinted' at values or a fit?

Regards,
Robert

Hi, Robert.
My style is to double 1♠ with 4♥, if the double is backed by limited strength; the more off-shape it si, the more strong it must be.
Therefore i would double 1♠ with 1-3-4-5 with a good 15/+ HCP. However, the quality of the suits plays an obvious role. With x, Jxx, AKQxx, KQJx I would prefer 2♦; with x, AQx, KJxxx, KQJx I would certainly double.
Now suppose that I have not that strength, but a good ♦ suit (1-3-5-4). I would prefer to bid 2♦, and when the bid comes back to me at 2♠, to double to show ♣ and tolerance for ♥ (note that if the hand were 1-4-3-5 or 1-4-5-3 i would have no qualm in doubling 1♠).
If I were to bid 3♣, it would show a 5-5. Now you may argue that I did not use the unusual NT over 1♠: this would be because my ♦ are significantly stronger than ♣.
This frees up 2NT for 6♦ and 4♣. I would not care to compete with 2-2-5-4, unless it were something like xx xx AKJxx AQJx. In which case, i'd use 2NT again
Does it make sense?
I will welcome your input.
regards