[Rebound]

Scoring: MP

Partner's 1NT opening is passed to you.

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So, here's the question: do the spots make this worth a 2♣ response opposite a 15-17 NT?

Presumably, if you do respond 2♣ and partner bids 2♥ you will raise to 3, or will you? :-)

I suppose I should fess up that I did bid 2♣ with it, but I am thinking that was a bit optimistic.

[mike777]

Guess I am missing something, easy pass of 1nt for me.

[fifee]

Rebound, on Nov 3 2005, 10:23 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

Partner's 1NT opening is passed to you.

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So, here's the question: do the spots make this worth a 2♣ response opposite a 15-17 NT?

If you are opening 15-17 1NT, then I agree with Mike- pass and table a great dummy for partner.

I agree that hand evaluation is more than HCP. At NT I will add 1/2 point for a 5 card suit or a full point for a good 5 card suit. I add 1/2 point for good middle cards and 1/2 point for a hand with well placed honors. With this hand, you have lots of good card combinations but still can't bring the hand up to invitational value for me.

[pclayton]

Clear pass even playing garbage stayman.

[awm]

While I tend to agree with pass, if you do choose to bid, you should pass 2♥ (or 2♠). You're already ahead of most of the field (okay assuming 15-17 NT is the common range as it is here in the states) by finding your major fit. No reason to risk -50 in 4♥ when +140 in 3♥ is beating all those +120s and +90s out there in the field. Even if game is making, don't you figure to get a near-top for +170 when most people played in 1NT?

[Robert]

Hello everyone

Pass in tempo. Flat hands up to @8HCP hands should pass opposite a 15-17HCP except vul. at IMPs.

If I did use somehow use Stayman, I would pass a 2M reply in tempo when I 'looked' again(didn't I have a King somewhere in this hand?)

If I played garbage Stayman(not my style because it does not fit into my methods)
I would use it here and pass 2M in tempo.

I ran a bunch of hands using garbage Stayman and the results were above average. 4-3 fits were generally playable and many 4-4 fits were found.

It was just that the use of garbage Stayman cost me my other superior methods of bidding over 1NT. Why use a X% better method when your currect method is X+% better?

I also used to bid game with 9HCP opposite a 15-17NT. I ran a number of hands opposite that range and found that I should 'only' invite with 2NT. Perhaps because I also use 1NT-2NT* as showing diamonds, my invitational bidding is somewhat cramped.

My early agreement that a Precision 1C*-8+HCP forced to game followed me for too many years. I did not like to play 1C*-1NT=8-10-2NT=16-p-p-p which the red covered Precision Book suggested.

I am not a diehard conservative bridge player. I am currently testing using 7+HCP positives as being game forcing opposite my 16+HCP(18+HCP if balanced)
1C* bid in a Big Club system(only when Vulernable at IMPs)

7+HCP positives narrow that worrysome 1C-1D bid to zero to a poor seven HCP.

The other pair cannot freely double an auction that reveals the threadbare nature of your 1C*-1D-1M-2M-3M-4M which almost demands a double 'if the trump suit is breaking badly.'

If you direct your bidding towards IMPs it looks like a good idea. At matchpoints, I am willing to require 8HCPs for a GF positive.

Regards,
Robert

[EricK]

This is a pass.

What the spots do is make it into a reasonable 6 count rather than a crappy 6 count. They don't make it into a seven count let alone an 8 count.

Eric

[bearmum]

I pass wtp?

[Fluffy]

If you play 1NT-2♣-2♦-2♥ as pick a major AND weak NT, I guess that's when you wanna make a move . Otherwise pass.

[Free]

easy pass

[joker_gib]

Pass even if I play garbage stayman

Alain

[Gerben42]

Good hand to play 1NT. Pass.

[Rebound]

Thanks for all your comments. I believe I was sleep deprived or something when I posted this hand.

[barmar]

Better to be tired when posting than when at the bridge table