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British Bridge Magazine Nov. 2005
1) MP all vul.
1D=P=P=1S
1NT=X=2D=P
P=X=P=?
QJ987
QJ63
J94
T
2)IMPS ALL NV
1H=D=1S=P
3H=P=?
AQ9872
T
J9
KJ63
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2 debated hands
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Posted 2005-October-31, 10:12
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Posted 2005-October-31, 10:22
1) This sounds like a penalty X and sounds like partner has alot of diamonds, but I have J9x. Something's wrong. I don't know what, but I'll trust pard and pass.
2) Easy 3S for me.
2) Easy 3S for me.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 11:28
On the second one, our RHO doubled 1♥?
At any rate, I agree with Justin on both of the hands. I don't see any real alternative to 3♠ on the second.
At any rate, I agree with Justin on both of the hands. I don't see any real alternative to 3♠ on the second.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 11:43
Jlall, on Oct 31 2005, 08:22 AM, said:
1) This sounds like a penalty X and sounds like partner has alot of diamonds, but I have J9x. Something's wrong. I don't know what, but I'll trust pard and pass.
I'll bet partner has ♣&♥ and good strength. After all if you had
xx
AKTx
xxx
AQxx
how would you bid the hand if your RHO opened 1♦?
On the second one, 3♠ seems too weak. Isn't it NF? Maybe I should have started with a XX last round. Not sure what the best bid is, but I don't really like 3♠.
A bit of blatant self-pimping - I've got a new poker book that's getting good reviews.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 11:57
tysen2k, on Oct 31 2005, 12:43 PM, said:
Jlall, on Oct 31 2005, 08:22 AM, said:
1) This sounds like a penalty X and sounds like partner has alot of diamonds, but I have J9x. Something's wrong. I don't know what, but I'll trust pard and pass.
I'll bet partner has ♣&♥ and good strength. After all if you had
xx
AKTx
xxx
AQxx
how would you bid the hand if your RHO opened 1♦?
On the second one, 3♠ seems too weak. Isn't it NF? Maybe I should have started with a XX last round. Not sure what the best bid is, but I don't really like 3♠.
I would have overcalled 1H. Had I not done that, I would now bid 2H after 2D comes back to me secure that partner knowing since I had values I can't have 5H (no 1H overcall). I would not make what should be a penalty X
.I also don't think 3S is non forcing. It is common in this auction for 3S to be forcing otherwise there is no way to investigate which major suit to play, or to get to 3N when responder can't bid 3N. Playing 3S as NF caters to a very infrequent hand type. I would need a very weak hand, no heart support, and 7+ spades. Yes with QJT9xxx --- xxx xxx I would like a NF 3S bid to be available, but I don't think it is percentage to play it as NF (nor is it standard).
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Posted 2005-October-31, 12:19
Blofeld, on Oct 31 2005, 12:28 PM, said:
On the second one, our RHO doubled 1♥?
At any rate, I agree with Justin on both of the hands. I don't see any real alternative to 3♠ on the second.
At any rate, I agree with Justin on both of the hands. I don't see any real alternative to 3♠ on the second.
1) Yes on second one rho expert opp doubled
2) Love the comments "easy" and "no real alternative", thanks. I saw alot of alternatives, no wonder bridge is too hard for me
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Posted 2005-October-31, 13:36
Agree with no alternative to 3S on the second. I play this as forcing, and I believe that you should play it as forcing too Tysen .
I play the first double as penalty by agreement, and I see no reason to pull it. I could have doubled 2D for penalty so partner knows that I don't have a trump stack. Anyway, now it is too late, if I wanted to pull then I should have bid 2H right away (weaker than pass and pull).
.I play the first double as penalty by agreement, and I see no reason to pull it. I could have doubled 2D for penalty so partner knows that I don't have a trump stack. Anyway, now it is too late, if I wanted to pull then I should have bid 2H right away (weaker than pass and pull).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 14:03
On the 1st hand, I suspect partner is 1=3=4=5 and LHO is 4=4=3=2 and RHO is 3=2=3=5. Sure, RHO ought to bid 2♣, but maybe his ♣ are hideous and he has Hxx ♦.
If I'm lucky, we might beat this: we may get some black ruffs, so long as opener cannot pull enough trump and I doubt that they can ever make more than 1 overtrick
If my reading of the hand is remotely close, we cannot make anything so I doubt that I am going to salvage much by running anyway.
On the 2nd hand, Justin has said it all: 3♠ should logically be played as forcing.
I would always play it as forcing regardless of what 2♠ would have meant directly over the double, but if you are worried about how to show 6=1=3=3 or wilder, with a bad hand, use a weak jump shift. That would not take care of all hands on which you'd like to be playing adjective bridge (3 non-forcing, weak♠), but it would minimize the problem.
If I'm lucky, we might beat this: we may get some black ruffs, so long as opener cannot pull enough trump and I doubt that they can ever make more than 1 overtrick
If my reading of the hand is remotely close, we cannot make anything so I doubt that I am going to salvage much by running anyway.
On the 2nd hand, Justin has said it all: 3♠ should logically be played as forcing.
I would always play it as forcing regardless of what 2♠ would have meant directly over the double, but if you are worried about how to show 6=1=3=3 or wilder, with a bad hand, use a weak jump shift. That would not take care of all hands on which you'd like to be playing adjective bridge (3 non-forcing, weak♠), but it would minimize the problem.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 14:56
You're right that 3S should be forcing. I was forgetting that a WJS was available after the double.
A bit of blatant self-pimping - I've got a new poker book that's getting good reviews.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 15:05
on #1, what does the x of 1nt mean? is it possible partner has 4 or 5 diamonds here? that means opener is 4432 or something... if that's possible, what can responder have that would make him pull 1nt to 2d? i'd have to pass on the principle that the pass of 1d then x of 2d has to be penalties
on #2 i'll bid 4h.. true, the x is on my right but i need to be able to come thru his spades
on #2 i'll bid 4h.. true, the x is on my right but i need to be able to come thru his spades
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Posted 2005-October-31, 15:09
In a British Bridge magazine opener can't be 4=4=3=2, he would have opened 1H or 1NT depending on range.
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Posted 2005-November-01, 18:30
ahhh... completely missed that inference... i'd still pass #1 and bid 4h on #2
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Posted 2005-November-02, 18:19
1) MP all vul.
1D=P=P=1S
1NT=X=2D=P
P=X=P=?
Panel Votes:
PASS=11
2H===11
There was quite the panel debate on this one compared to our forum posters.
Kanter: Pass. I'll take my chances.
Lawrence: Pass. They may be in a 4-3 or 3-3 fit.
McCallum: Pass. Nobody sent for me.
Silver: Pass. Ain't bridge easy!
Hackett: Pass. Going for the sweaty +200
Robson: 2H. Feels right.
Soloway: 2H. Sounds like partner has Kx=Kxxx=Kx=Axxxx
Wolff: 2H. Hoping for partner to grasp the overall bidding.
Vriend: 2H. Kx=Kxxx=Ax=Qxxxx
1D=P=P=1S
1NT=X=2D=P
P=X=P=?
Panel Votes:
PASS=11
2H===11
There was quite the panel debate on this one compared to our forum posters.
Kanter: Pass. I'll take my chances.
Lawrence: Pass. They may be in a 4-3 or 3-3 fit.
McCallum: Pass. Nobody sent for me.
Silver: Pass. Ain't bridge easy!
Hackett: Pass. Going for the sweaty +200
Robson: 2H. Feels right.
Soloway: 2H. Sounds like partner has Kx=Kxxx=Kx=Axxxx
Wolff: 2H. Hoping for partner to grasp the overall bidding.
Vriend: 2H. Kx=Kxxx=Ax=Qxxxx
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Posted 2005-November-02, 20:04
2♥ ?
you are knocking partner, out the table
you are knocking partner, out the table
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Posted 2005-November-03, 10:46
2)IMPS ALL NV
1H=D=1S=P
3H=P=?
AQ9872
T
J9
KJ63
The panel votes:
3S=15
4H=7
Bird: 3S. Forcing
Hackett: 3S. Forcing, not sure which game we belong in.
Silver: 3S. Looking for best game and keeping slam alive
Landy:3S. I doubt this is a slam hand but partner can now bid 3nt if that is better than 4H.
Vriend: 3S. First show our 6 card suit.
Kantar: 4H. Finally, an easy one.
Lawrence: 4H. Good values, pretty clear.
McGowan: 4H. Trusting RHO to have some reason for doubling.
Robson: 4H. Rates to be right contract-can't really be four spades or 3nt after double.
Soloway: 4H. 3 spades is Ok but the take-out double suggests that spades are not breaking. The ten of hearts could be a good filler.
Wolff: 4H. Partner's hearts figures to be even better than his bidding shows.
On the actual hand Margaret Courtney-James went one step further and cuebid 4clubs. Partner bid 6H with:
J3
KQJ985
AQ
A54
1H=D=1S=P
3H=P=?
AQ9872
T
J9
KJ63
The panel votes:
3S=15
4H=7
Bird: 3S. Forcing
Hackett: 3S. Forcing, not sure which game we belong in.
Silver: 3S. Looking for best game and keeping slam alive
Landy:3S. I doubt this is a slam hand but partner can now bid 3nt if that is better than 4H.
Vriend: 3S. First show our 6 card suit.
Kantar: 4H. Finally, an easy one.
Lawrence: 4H. Good values, pretty clear.
McGowan: 4H. Trusting RHO to have some reason for doubling.
Robson: 4H. Rates to be right contract-can't really be four spades or 3nt after double.
Soloway: 4H. 3 spades is Ok but the take-out double suggests that spades are not breaking. The ten of hearts could be a good filler.
Wolff: 4H. Partner's hearts figures to be even better than his bidding shows.
On the actual hand Margaret Courtney-James went one step further and cuebid 4clubs. Partner bid 6H with:
J3
KQJ985
AQ
A54
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