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S -- W -- N -- E
1C - P - 2C - (2S)
2N - P - 3D - 3N
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Who to blame (8) for missing slam
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Posted 2005-October-30, 23:34
The bidding went:
S -- W -- N -- E
1C - P - 2C - (2S)
2N - P - 3D - 3N
PPP.
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Posted 2005-October-30, 23:45
Both, but south 70%+. 3D has to be slam interest, south should cue 3H after 3D. South's hand is rich in controls. His spade holding should encourage rather than discourage pd's slam interest. After South's 3N, north should try again with 4C, looking for heart control.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 01:29
South, he should bid 3H over 3D. North assumed south had slow major suit values and passed, not unreasonably.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 03:25
I blame the system:
I hate to play inverted raise as UNLIMITED (unless we are playing a strong club system, where at least opener has already been limited).
I think the most efficient use of inverted raise is to show an invitational hand or GF hand but WITHOUT slam prospects.
Otherwise in the followup, it becomes unclear whether we should focus the auction to verify the NT stoppers or to veruify whether the hands fit for slam.
When I used to play 2/1 + inv min we did use the CrissCross raise (1C-2D or 1D-3c) to show a raise with slam interest and 1m-3M as splinter.
This scheme did relieve the 1m-2m raise from the overload: therefore, after the 2m raise, it was quite clear that, unless OPENER were very strong, the main goal is to verify whether we can play partscore or game in NT or in a minor.
I hate to play inverted raise as UNLIMITED (unless we are playing a strong club system, where at least opener has already been limited).
I think the most efficient use of inverted raise is to show an invitational hand or GF hand but WITHOUT slam prospects.
Otherwise in the followup, it becomes unclear whether we should focus the auction to verify the NT stoppers or to veruify whether the hands fit for slam.
When I used to play 2/1 + inv min we did use the CrissCross raise (1C-2D or 1D-3c) to show a raise with slam interest and 1m-3M as splinter.
This scheme did relieve the 1m-2m raise from the overload: therefore, after the 2m raise, it was quite clear that, unless OPENER were very strong, the main goal is to verify whether we can play partscore or game in NT or in a minor.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 04:38
South, no comment necessary after that aweful 3NT bid...
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Posted 2005-October-31, 10:30
Hum.. well, if you want to go the constructive way, why not splintering 1♣-3♠, or even bid 1♣-1♦.
Still, blaming it on a player or the other is unfair because almost nobody has detailed agreements on how to bid after an inverted raise.
Still, blaming it on a player or the other is unfair because almost nobody has detailed agreements on how to bid after an inverted raise.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 12:07
whereagles, on Oct 31 2005, 11:30 AM, said:
Hum.. well, if you want to go the constructive way, why not splintering 1♣-3♠, or even bid 1♣-1♦.
Still, blaming it on a player or the other is unfair because almost nobody has detailed agreements on how to bid after an inverted raise.
Still, blaming it on a player or the other is unfair because almost nobody has detailed agreements on how to bid after an inverted raise.
Agree, and do not miss inverted minors at all.
With CrissCross jump in other minor=game force, often unbalanced
1minor=2spades=invite in minor, often unbalanced.
Now 1minor =2minor=weak poor shape
1minor=3minor=weak with shape.
To be fair 3d must be slam try on your auction but bidding underpoint minor suit slams with no voids and opp bidding always tough. Great hand for a detailed partnership to discuss but no blame.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 21:02
Most of the blame is with S (should really bid 3♥); N could keep the bid open with 4♣ in any case (N hand is pretty good, and playing IMP there is not even the 3N obsession).
I have been playing an unlimited IMR for quite a long time, and never found any major problem, though.
The criss-cross works if you have both minors; it is a bit more awkward when you have just the other minor, though.
I have been playing an unlimited IMR for quite a long time, and never found any major problem, though.
The criss-cross works if you have both minors; it is a bit more awkward when you have just the other minor, though.
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