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Playing 14-16 NT with Han, I was very close to do so, holding
♠AJ ♥AQ ♦J8xx ♣QJ9xx.
What do you think? Of course I ended up opening 1NT anyway, but would you consider 1♣,maybe with worse spots in the minors?
Arend
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Posted 2005-October-29, 06:09
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Posted 2005-October-29, 06:14
I like my shape, and I like my minor spots.
I think I'd open this 1NT playing 15-17. On the other hand, I might also open it 1NT playing 12-14.
I think I'd open this 1NT playing 15-17. On the other hand, I might also open it 1NT playing 12-14.
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Posted 2005-October-29, 06:41
I was watching when this hand came up...
There were a number of different opinions regarding hand evaluation.
From my perspective, 14-16 NT is dead on. I'd feel a bit less happy about a 15-17 NT, but would probably open this as well since it feels more accurate than 1♦ or, worse yet, 1♣.
There were a number of different opinions regarding hand evaluation.
From my perspective, 14-16 NT is dead on. I'd feel a bit less happy about a 15-17 NT, but would probably open this as well since it feels more accurate than 1♦ or, worse yet, 1♣.
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Posted 2005-October-29, 08:27
cherdano, on Oct 29 2005, 07:09 AM, said:
Playing 14-16 NT with Han, I was very close to do so, holding
♠AJ ♥AQ ♦J8xx ♣QJ9xx.
What do you think? Of course I ended up opening 1NT anyway, but would you consider 1♣,maybe with worse spots in the minors?
Arend
♠AJ ♥AQ ♦J8xx ♣QJ9xx.
What do you think? Of course I ended up opening 1NT anyway, but would you consider 1♣,maybe with worse spots in the minors?
Arend
Easy 14-16 1nt, next hand.
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Posted 2005-October-29, 08:45
i was watching also and i don't think it was that easy a decision.. worked out well tho
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Posted 2005-October-29, 09:13
I once downgraded
KJx
QJxx
QJ
Qxxx
to 10 hcp and passed 1st hand. But that was the only time in my life
KJx
QJxx
QJ
Qxxx
to 10 hcp and passed 1st hand. But that was the only time in my life
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Posted 2005-October-29, 14:05
cherdano, on Oct 29 2005, 07:09 AM, said:
Playing 14-16 NT with Han, I was very close to do so, holding
♠AJ ♥AQ ♦J8xx ♣QJ9xx.
What do you think? Of course I ended up opening 1NT anyway, but would you consider 1♣,maybe with worse spots in the minors?
Arend
♠AJ ♥AQ ♦J8xx ♣QJ9xx.
What do you think? Of course I ended up opening 1NT anyway, but would you consider 1♣,maybe with worse spots in the minors?
Arend
I would open 1N and accept the invite hehe... QJ9xx is really good imo.
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Posted 2005-October-29, 19:58
To downgrade 2 points I certainly need 4333, and probably without 10s nor 9s. with a 5 card suit... never.
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Posted 2005-October-29, 21:14
I can see:
QJxx
QJxx
KQ
KQx
Being downgraded to 1♣ opener playing a 15-17 NT. But this is an extreme.
A lot of good players say - they frequently upgrade and never downgrade. This is an egotistic approach. If you want to play a 14-16 NT and call it a 15-17 because of all the upgrading you do, go ahead.
QJxx
QJxx
KQ
KQx
Being downgraded to 1♣ opener playing a 15-17 NT. But this is an extreme.
A lot of good players say - they frequently upgrade and never downgrade. This is an egotistic approach. If you want to play a 14-16 NT and call it a 15-17 because of all the upgrading you do, go ahead.
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Posted 2005-October-30, 13:56
cherdano, on Oct 29 2005, 12:09 PM, said:
Playing 14-16 NT with Han, I was very close to do so, holding
♠AJ ♥AQ ♦J8xx ♣QJ9xx.
What do you think? Of course I ended up opening 1NT anyway, but would you consider 1♣,maybe with worse spots in the minors?
Arend
♠AJ ♥AQ ♦J8xx ♣QJ9xx.
What do you think? Of course I ended up opening 1NT anyway, but would you consider 1♣,maybe with worse spots in the minors?
Arend
I think playing 14-16, I would consider it a nobrainer 1NT.
Even playing 15-17 I'd still open 1NT for the reasons below.
Not having 4 card majors, and especially holding 5 clubs and 4D, I much prefer to risk a slight overbid of 1NT.
Potential pluses:
- anticipates competition in the partscore from opps
- immediate description of the hand-type
- honors in short suit are not necessarily wasted
- in the given hand, the quacks are in the long suits and pull their weight; I like to count the Q of hearts as full value, being accompanied by the Ace; I MIGHT discount the J of spade, but still, the AJ tenace does not look all that bad if pard has a little something in spades.
Potential minus:
- pard may go overboard
- we might lose a partscore when we could compete to 3m
All in all, I like the pluses better than the minuses.
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