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#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2005-October-25, 08:43

Scoring: IMP

(1) - X - (P) - 2
(P) - 2NT - (P) - 3
(P) - ?


You pick up this collection of tickets and are all ready to open 2NT when RHO surprises you by bidding 1. NP you think, you double and partner shows diamonds. That fits in well with your diamond honours. So you bid your routine 2NT showing a good 18-21 bal. Partner then bids 3. Do we take a shot at game? Can partner have an entry with the an opener on our right?
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Posted 2005-October-25, 08:58

pass, I showed my hand, diamonds are blocked, partner did not invite.
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Posted 2005-October-25, 10:37

Pd knows I have a big hand, his 3 sounds like a very weak bid and I believe denies any entree with interest in NT.
So I will pass, with pain in my .

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Posted 2005-October-25, 11:54

Unless pard is deaf AND blind, he believes that 3D is the place to play........you have no more to say. (I expect him to hold a 2-3-5-3 or a 3-2-5-3 with less than 3 hcp.)
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Posted 2005-October-25, 12:12

I also pass.
But I don't expect only five diamonds, I expect 6 of them.
We can be slightly off-shape for this auction, and are quite likely to have a doubleton diamond and could possibly have a singleton.
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Posted 2005-October-25, 12:20

FrancesHinden, on Oct 25 2005, 01:12 PM, said:

I also pass.
But I don't expect only five diamonds, I expect 6 of them.
We can be slightly off-shape for this auction, and are quite likely to have a doubleton diamond and could possibly have a singleton.

Yikes! I wouldn't expect that (or the Spanish Inquisition, apparently).
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Posted 2005-October-25, 13:35

Pass.

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Posted 2005-October-25, 14:16

Al_U_Card, on Oct 25 2005, 01:20 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Oct 25 2005, 01:12 PM, said:

I also pass.
But I don't expect only five diamonds, I expect 6 of them.
We can be slightly off-shape for this auction, and are quite likely to have a doubleton diamond and could possibly have a singleton.

Yikes! I wouldn't expect that (or the Spanish Inquisition, apparently).

AKxx
KQ10x
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AQJx

go on (toes to the fire...) tell me you wouldn't double 1H then bid 2NT over 2D from partner

p.s. English papers were full pictures of a dead parrot the other day..
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Posted 2005-October-25, 14:18

FrancesHinden, on Oct 25 2005, 03:16 PM, said:

Al_U_Card, on Oct 25 2005, 01:20 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Oct 25 2005, 01:12 PM, said:

I also pass.
But I don't expect only five diamonds, I expect 6 of them.
We can be slightly off-shape for this auction, and are quite likely to have a doubleton diamond and could possibly have a singleton.

Yikes! I wouldn't expect that (or the Spanish Inquisition, apparently).

AKxx
KQ10x
Q
AQJx

go on (toes to the fire...) tell me you wouldn't double 1H then bid 2NT over 2D from partner

p.s. English papers were full pictures of a dead parrot the other day..

ex-parrots notwithstanding (Norwegian Blue I believe) might you not bid 3NT with that?
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Posted 2005-October-25, 14:54

I like my hand very much, so I bid 3. After all 3NT has a play if partner has 5 + Q + Q or it may be 5 if he has 6 + J + Q. I only pomissed a good 18 and partner won't bid 3NT with 2 queens. I think the hand is more worth than a 2NT rebid. If partner has nothing than 4 wil be down, but I don't think they will double and 3 may also be down.
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Posted 2005-October-25, 15:28

PMetsch, on Oct 25 2005, 10:54 PM, said:

I like my hand very much, so I bid 3. After all 3NT has a play if partner has 5 + Q + Q or it may be 5 if he has 6 + J + Q.

I don't think so, with opener sitting behind dummy, a black queen is unlikely to be an entry. You need some king or a slow entry and a heart double stop for 3NT to make I believe.

I would definitely pass, but I would also think that 2NT is only bid with exceptionally good 18, more like 19-21. With Q and QJ somewhere, partner would bid on. With a black king and xxxxx in diamonds, we miss 3NT, but so be it.

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Posted 2005-October-25, 16:40

Pass. Partner's 3 is a warning bid, could be something like xx xx xxxxxx xxx.
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Posted 2005-October-25, 17:44

the way i play, the 2nt bid promised 19+... partner knows that, so i'd have to pass or bid 5d... i pass
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Posted 2005-October-26, 03:46

cherdano, on Oct 25 2005, 11:28 PM, said:

I don't think so, with opener sitting behind dummy, a black queen is unlikely to be an entry. You need some king or a slow entry and a heart double stop for 3NT to make I believe.

The defenders also have communication problems if opener holds AQJ + K + K. After a heart lead, the opener is thrown in. Lets say LHO leads a to our king, then we can unblock and play 9. After cashing the hearts he must lead a black suit and we will be in the dummy.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 08:16

I don't play 2NT rebid as 18-21 for this :), partner can easylly ahve a black king.

Anyway I am gonna pass, discipline is discipline.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 08:34

I did indeed pass, but I didn't like it. Partner could have had a slow entry as some people suggested. But, given the opening bid on your right I agree with Fluffy (and many others) that it is undisciplined to bid again here. Partner made 10 tricks in diamonds and that was that. Ended up gaining a few imps.
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