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Posted 2014-December-24, 03:26

say you open 1 with 14-16 balanced. This means 1 opening can only be unbalanced long diamonds or 14-16 bal.

What would you bid on this sequences:


1-pass-1-pass

Holding 4



1-1-double-pass

Holding 4, what to do with unbalanced then?
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Posted 2014-December-24, 04:37

On the first one I bid 1n. If I open unbalanced ten counts I can't expect p to invite with a ten count unless I show my values. Besides, balanced could also be 4225 so if 1s is nebulous we won't find a diamond fit so easily.

On the second one I suppose 2s or 3h with 16 or a good 15 but otherwise my extra points are offset by my lack of shape.
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Posted 2014-December-24, 10:14

Not sure I see what the point is. Why not bidding 1NT with 14-16 and 2/3 of the major with unbal min/max?
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Posted 2014-December-24, 15:33

View PostFluffy, on 2014-December-24, 03:26, said:

say you open 1 with 14-16 balanced. This means 1 opening can only be unbalanced long diamonds or 14-16 bal.


I assume you mean 11-13 balanced for opening 1.

Depending on your style of Precision 1 could be very light if you run with short . So bidding 1 caters to finding cheapest playable fit even if a 4-3.

If p bid 1N you can still rebid a 6-card .




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Posted 2014-December-24, 16:22

View Poststeve2005, on 2014-December-24, 15:33, said:

I assume you mean 11-13 balanced for opening 1.

No. 11-13 would open 1nt.
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Posted 2014-December-25, 18:04

We open 1 with 14-16 balanced, or unbalanced long in either minor. This frees up the 2 opener for more nefarious purposes.

1 (P) 1 for us shows 4+. We occasionally miss a 4-4 fit when we are weak, but then opponents often miss their fit, and we pick up some 3-5 fits. We seem to come out ahead.

1 (P) 1 is an enquiry: opener bids 1NT with 14-16 bal or 2m if weak, 2M with 4M5+m max, or 3m.

1 (1) X is an enquiry same as above. With 4 we respond 2 only with unbalanced max.
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Posted 2014-December-26, 03:37

View PostTrick13, on 2014-December-25, 18:04, said:

We open 1 with 14-16 balanced, or unbalanced long in either minor. This frees up the 2 opener for more nefarious purposes.

1 (P) 1 for us shows 4+. We occasionally miss a 4-4 fit when we are weak, but then opponents often miss their fit, and we pick up some 3-5 fits. We seem to come out ahead.

1 (P) 1 is an enquiry: opener bids 1NT with 14-16 bal or 2m if weak, 2M with 4M5+m max, or 3m.

1 (1) X is an enquiry same as above. With 4 we respond 2 only with unbalanced max.


I've played this style for a looooong time in a top level partnership. In retrospect I came to dislike it because its excessively nebulous nature led to partscore mayhem.

But anyway, I am curious as to how you bid hearts. My best scheme was this:

1 ..??
1 = enquiry, but can be 0+H if 4 hearts.
1 = nat F1.
1NT = 4-4 majors, 0-9 H, NF.
2 = 5 hearts (or 6 bad ones), 0-9 H, NF.
2 = 5 hearts + 4 spades, 0-9 H, NF.
2 = 6 hearts, 0-9, NF.

This actually worked well. But if 2nd seat disrupts it, we'd be quite in the dark lol.
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Posted 2014-December-26, 15:29

After 1...
1 = 4+, enquiry
1 = enquiry
1NT = weak with long , or inv+ with
2 = weak with long , or inv+ with
2 = weak with long ,or inv+ with
2 = weak with long , or inv+ with
2 = art GF inquiry, usually with slam interest
2NT = 12-13 bal

After missing a couple of contracts in quick succession we spent some time on working through how to handle the majors, but if both hands are weak we can still miss a 4-4 fit.

After 1 - 1/ ... if partner rebids 1NT it's systems on so we can find any fit; if he rebids 2m then 2 shows 5 with a weak invite; a better hand with 5 +4 we can show with the impossible sequence 1-1-2m-2, with other shapes we can respond 2 and rebid 2NT or a suit.
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Posted 2014-December-26, 16:39

I meant to add that while interference at the 2-level or higher is awkward, it's also rare ... we might be hold a strong NT and can double them ... or they may be reluctant to bid a minor until we have clarified our holding. We open over 13% of all hands 1 and feel that is causes the opps far more problems than it causes us.
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