What do you think partner has, and are you going to make a move?
Do you regret passing? BBF vs. JEC #7 board 9
#1
Posted 2012-April-22, 16:24
What do you think partner has, and are you going to make a move?
-- Bertrand Russell
#2
Posted 2012-April-22, 16:37
mgoetze, on 2012-April-22, 16:24, said:
What do you think partner has, and are you going to make a move?
I would play that you are not allowed to bid on here unless you think you have slam. A good explanation of how I would play it is given by FrancesHinden here:
http://www.bridgebas...8-3nt-overcall/
Not sure if you should bid on given this though (I don't think I would).
#4
Posted 2012-April-22, 17:51
I wouldnt open this poor 11 count with no good suit.
#6
Posted 2012-April-23, 00:56
Put ♠KQ to somewhere else and i have a perfect 4NT bid. With this i am not so confident about 4NT tbh.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#7
Posted 2012-April-23, 01:00
-- Bertrand Russell
#8
Posted 2012-April-23, 01:03
mgoetze, on 2012-April-23, 01:00, said:
Sorry i didnt know that.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#9
Posted 2012-April-23, 01:06
-- Bertrand Russell
#10
Posted 2012-April-23, 02:53
In my regular partnership I could bid 4♣ to find out whether it is very strong balanced or a strong single-suiter, but absent such methods I am too good to pass and 4NT should be safe enough.
#11
Posted 2012-April-24, 06:26
Obviously the main thing is to be in agreement about what it shows. It sounds as though Michael and some others would expect rather more for this bid.
#12
Posted 2012-April-24, 06:48
gnasher, on 2012-April-24, 06:26, said:
To be honest I thought your hand was more at the top end of a 2NT overcall, especially in 3rd seat.
Of course it's a bit unlucky that 4NT with a combined 29 HCP had almost no play.
-- Bertrand Russell
#13
Posted 2012-April-24, 07:31
mgoetze, on 2012-April-24, 06:48, said:
Now there I disagree. With a combined 29-count where we're known to have such horrible duplication in spades, it's not at all surprising to find that the limit is nine tricks. If you thought my minimum was a balanced 18- or 19-count, I think you had a clearcut pass.
#14
Posted 2012-April-24, 07:40
gnasher, on 2012-April-24, 07:31, said:
Given that the opening was 2-suited I would have thought Jxxx or Axx would have been a perfectly reasonable spade holding also.
Anyway the main problem was that I was not sure whether you would always overcall 3NT with the range above a 2NT overcall (which I think should include almost all 18s), or sometimes/always double-then-3NT.
-- Bertrand Russell
#15
Posted 2012-April-24, 10:17
to imagine slam with all those quacks. I would
pass 3n but I would consider a 4n raise to be
a bit less than average. Giving up 4c/d/h as
natural bids is a poor idea IMO.
pass = 10 4n= 4
#16
Posted 2012-April-24, 23:58
gnasher, on 2012-April-24, 07:31, said:
♠ duplication is not so clear. Neither only 29 hcp.
But anyway, i agree with the 3NT bid in your example. And as i said in my first reply, i may or may not bid 4NT but with the orignal hand i probably would not feel so secure doing it.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#17
Posted 2012-April-25, 05:32
- hrothgar
#18
Posted 2012-April-25, 16:20
Looking at the full hand now I think ♠Kx would be better than KQ.
mgoetze writes "What do you think partner has, and are you going to make a move?"
IMO 4♥ = 10, Pass = 9.
Partner could bid 2N with a flat 15-18; or double and then bid 3N with a flat 19+; so he is likely to have a long strong minor.
e.g. ♠A ♥Kx ♦Qxx ♣AKxxxxx.or better
I reckon that you are worth a mild slam try.
You are a passed hand. Hence (assuming that you play weak twos), 4♥ should be a cue bid for a minor, rather than suggesting a major contract.
Partner may not welcome your try: sometimes you will punish his enterprise; but he should not expect much more than you have.
With the above hand, for example, he may may be able to subside in a makeable 4N or 5♣. With a bit extra, however, slam is possible.